Friday, January 30, 2009 Jenn asks

Q: Who has eliminated wheat and dairy when taking LDN? Dosage of LDN?

I have noticed that there are several of you out there taking LDN.  I too am taking LDN and was experiencing great results for the first 18 months of taking it until now; I am having an attack, though it is much milder than those in the past.  My question is whether I should up the dosage.  I have always taken 3 mgs and am wondering if I should move up to 4.5mg?  My doctors don't know anything about LDN and it was hard enough to get a prescription out of them.  I feel like if I tell them that I want to raise the dosage they'll think that it's just not working and stop giving me the prescription altogether.  I'm not ready to give up on it, there have been too many positive results.  Any advice?

 

I am also wondering if anyone else has changed their diet to exclude dairy and wheat?  I have and am sometimes skeptical of the efficacy of this move. 

 

I really appreciate any advice and imput.

 

Thanks,

Jenn

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Merely Me, Health Guide
2/ 2/09 3:41pm

Hello Jenn!

 

Just want to preface my answer by saying that I have no experience yet of taking LDN.  But I am hearing more and more about it.  It would be great if you could elaborate on your experiences with it thus far in a sharepost.  Smile

 

While I don't have any experience with LDN...I do have tons of knowledge about implementing a gluten free/dairy free diet.  My son who has autism has been on such a diet for almost a decade.  So if you have any questions there...ask away.

 

I want to give you a bunch of links so get ready!

 

First up is the LDN web site if you haven't already perused it.

 

Next is a link to a forum page where people discuss taking LSN (although most for Crohn's disease) and also implemting the gluten free/dairy free diet. 

 

I also know some fellow MS bloggers who are currently either using or have used LDN and wrote about it.

 

One fellow is named Andy and I just did an interview with him which you can view here.  And here is his blog where he discusses taking LDN.

 

Also here is Stephen who has tried LDN and had written a diary of his experiences.

 

What I will try to do is to get these guys to come and answer your question as well...so you can have more feedback.

 

Thank you for sharing your experience here and if there is anything else we can do for you please let us know!

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2/ 2/09 8:26pm

i did ldn for a few weeks. i found that the first day, all of my symptoms got worse, and pretty much stayed that way. my balance was way off, drop foot turning into drop feet. i had heard about the dietary stuff, but i heard that one needed to eradicate some sort of intestinal flora that is virtually impossible to eliminate (without buying this or that miracle product). so after four weeks or so (3mg, then 1.5mg) i stopped, and now, a few weeks after that, i am pretty much back to baseline where i was before i started. i just think it wasn't for me, an experiment that didn't work. but, nothing ventured, nothing gained. it's great that you've had 18 months of good result so far! good on you!

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Merely Me, Health Guide
2/ 2/09 10:21pm

Just wanted to thank you, Zenhead, for stopping by to share your experience.  I was telling Jenn in my answer that you were one person who had tried LDN.  You are so right in that with any of these treatments or medications...everyone is going to have a unique experience.  I also asked Andy to stop by as well to share how LDN is working for him. 

 

Thanks again!

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2/ 3/09 1:33am

Hey Jenn

I have only been doing the LDN for a month, but I'm willing to comment on what I think is happening.  So far for me, as someone who suffers from leg cramps, the 3 mg dosage has worked well.  The cramps have subsided, and though it has left the legs weaker, for me that's not an issue bacause I wear an AFO brace on my right leg anyway.  I am in physical therapy to see about regaining some of the lost strength.  If I was 18 months in and things were going well, I would ride out the exacerbation and compare where I was on other meds.  As far as the diet, I come up with great ideas almost daily, but have yet to launch.  I think I can be persuaded daily of all kinds of things.  I had the allergie tests and they said no allergies, so I suppose I should be on a Swank type diet, but who knows!  Good luck, I hope it works out for you

 

Andy

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Merely Me, Health Guide
2/ 3/09 3:31pm

Thanks Andy for stopping by.  I had read on your blog that you were using LDN so definitely wanted Jenn to hear about your experiences.  If anyone else has any experience using LDN...please feel free to add to this discussion. 

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6/10/09 5:01pm

JENN-  I HAVE BEEN ON LDN FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.  THE RECOMMENDED DOSE IS 4.5 MG!  I JUST HAD A FOLLOW-UP MRI FROM A YEAR AGO, WHEN I FIRST STARTED TAKING THE LDN.  THERE WERE SOME SPOTS THAT STAYED THE SAME & SOME EVEN GOT BETTER!  SO IF YOUR DOCTOR DOESN'T BELIEVE YOU, I WOULD FIND A NATURAL DOCTOR SO THEY WILL KNOW WHAT THE LDN IS FOR & AGREE WITH YOU!  (DO YOU GET IT FROM SKIP'S IN FLORIDA?  PERSONALLY, MY DOCTOR SAID NO DAIRY, BUT THE WHEAT IS FINE.  LAST YEAR, I CUT OUT THE WHEAT & I CAN'T SAY THAT I NOTICED A DIFFERENCE.  BUT I PLAN ON FOLLOWING THE DAIRY-FREE DIET.  I'VE EVEN READ THAT IT SPEEDS UP YOUR METABOLISM, CLEARS UP YOUR COMPLEXION & GIVES YOU MORE ENERGY - SO I'D SAY IT'S WORTH A TRY! 

 

HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO BRING ON AN ATTACK (RELAPSE)?  BECAUSE BEING ON THE LDN, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYMORE RELAPSES?

 

KIM

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5/30/11 8:08am

Hi Jenn

I have suffered from MS for 19 years and am still mobile though getting weaker. I stopped wheat and most dairy as an experiment about 15 years ago and have never gone back to either.  I believe I would be crippled by now if I had.  It varies from person to person. I know some people who are able to consume either or both without it effecting them. Give it a try for at least 2-3 months and see if there is a difference. If not then perhaps you are one of those fortunate people who can tolerate them. Good luck!

Geeta

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3/10/12 12:24pm

I happened across this forum when I was searching multiple sclerosis and wheat allergy. I thought you all might like to know my experience with LDN and eliminating wheat. First, I have been taking 3.0 mg of LDN for four years with quite remarkable results. I was just at the point of being permanently in a wheelchair without walking at all. I had lost the ability to type or feel my toes. Shortly after starting LDN I regained movement and feeling in my toes and could go back to playing the organ and typing, but the most welcome results were being able to go more than two hours between bathroom stops, no longer having while temperature fluctuations at night, having a great reduction in fatigue particularly in hot weather. Over the years since I started LDN, I  lost movement again in my toes-- but not feeling-- and could no longer type. Everything else stayed good. One downside to LDN is increased spasticity in my legs each morning. I have tried increasing to 4.5; however, the specificity is not good so I go back to three.

A year ago this month, I began a low-carb diet to lose weight. I have lost about 30 pounds very slowly. Last summer I decided to cut out wheat totally. After four months with little to no wheat, I suddenly realized that I was going 6 to 8 hours at night without having to wake my husband to help me get to the bathroom. This is amazing! I credit both LDN and my diet. And then, a couple of months ago, I realized I could wiggle my little toe. Eventually I could move all my toes somewhat. Now I can occasionally move my feet back and forth by myself. This may not sound like much, but a year and a half ago I had become accepting of the fact that I was entering a final stage or the beginning of a final stage. Now I am hopeful that it is not too late, that maybe this improved diet of real food including saturated fat, meat, dairy, vegetables and fruit will help me get better. I am considering cutting out dairy, which would include the heavy cream in my coffee and a little bit of cheese.

Since it has taking a year to see results and to lose weight, I have learned to be patient and stick with the program.

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3/10/12 12:29pm

I am using a voice program. When I said "white" fluctuations I met "wild." When I said "specificity," I made spasticity.

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