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Strontium citrate, my story...

Hello everyone, Pam has been asking me to create a sharepost on strontium citrate and for the longest time i  thought "what can i share that is different from what can be read in any number of places on the web?"  Well, now i do have something to share, my experience with it for  almost three years.  When i was first dx with osteo in 2006 i was just like everyone whoes dx with it or any or ther condtion.  I was scared, fearful of the unknown and uneducated about what to do.  My dr. wanted me to take actenol and i did for 2 months before i decided it was not the path i wanted to take to treat this.  I was fortunate that i only had minor side effect...very dry eyes and  a feeling of a lump in my throat all the time, but enough to say this was not right for me.  Once i decided to quit, they both went away in matter of a week or so.  That is the best decision in regard to my health i've ever made.  I waited a month to help clear my system of the actenol (i did this on my own) and then started strontium citrate,  2 340mg. caps at bedtime.  Then i waited.


I was scheduled or a a DEXA after 9 months of use and whoa and behold i already had improved scores, a 4% gain.  I was really excited and determinded to take it till the next one 2 years later.  During the 2 years i took the strontium faithfully every night, upped my exercise routine, did more of the walking i already enjoyed doing, tried to eat a healthy diet most of the time and took supplements that support bone heath.  I've never had a side effects from the strontium. I did notice as time went on that i didn't have as many aches and pains in my hips and lower back and sitting in a car for several hours didn't cause me to squirm looking for a comfortable postion.


I just had the 2 year DEXA a couple of weeks ago and once again was very happy with the results.  When i was first dx in 6/06 my left hip was -1.9, femoral head -2.7 and lumbar spine -2.9.  Now after almost 3  years of use i  have a 14% overall gain in bone mineral denstiy.  The total hip t-score is now -1.1 and lumbar spine -1.9. I wasn't given a score for the femoral head.  There were no adjustments made to the DEXA other than stopping use for 30 days prior as requested by my dr.  I   know the reading may not be 100% accurate and the scores may be off a bit, but i'm still very pleased about the gains i've made.  I will continue with strontium for another 2 years and hopefuly get both scores well in to the normal range. I'll  keep up the rotuine i've been doing..its now habit and part of who i am.  A big plus for me is that i enjoy exercising and being active, and eating healthy is good for all of you, not just your bones.


My dr. was very impressed with the gains i made, but  until it becomes FDA approved he won't tell his other osteo pateients about it.  Fear has become part of a doctors daily life and they don't want to do anyhting that may cause them problems.  You can be sure that i'll be spreading the word.  A good friend of mine has been taking it for 2 years and has a DEXA later this month...i hope she has the same good outcome that i've had.

7/ 5/09 9:03pm

Hi Phyllis, as you know I've been so proud of you for thinking out of the box and taking a route for treatment that you feel is best for you. Keep up the good work, and I wouldn't be surprised if your scores go to normal on the next dxa.

 

Your positive attitude, I believe has a lot to do with the results, plus your diligent exercise, diet, and overall outlook.

 

Whenever we can find the thing that works for us we've made great strides, so thanks so much for sharing your story for those on the fence about this supplement. We all might not get the great scores as you, but it's entirely possibly it could happen.

 

Congrats on your wonderful advocacy for yourself on osteopenia and osteoporosis. We can all learn a lot from you with your down to earth decisions, once you realized you couldn't take a bisphosphonate.

 

Again this news is FANTASTIC NEWS! We all have a lot to learn from each other on the road to our personal advocacy.

 

Your friend and supporter of your decisions for treatment.

 

Pam

 

Anonymous
BoneLady
7/13/09 5:43pm

Hi, I would like to share my experience with strontium citrate.  I've been taking this treatment now for two years, and my latest DXA scan results showed a remarkable improvement over my baseline results.  I would like to invite you all to visit my non-commercial, ad-free blog to learn about my experiences with this product.  Please check out http://www.strontiumforbones.blogspot.com.  I'm not selling anything!

7/13/09 11:13pm

Hi BoneLady...congratulation on your gains. It's a good feeling to know that what we are doing is making in difference not only in our lives, but in the lives we touch along the way. I've been reading you blog for some time now and would like to thank you for all the good info you have provided to so many of us "out of the box" bone builders.  I'm  hoping with the FDA trials of strontium malonate that we'll soon be able to get accurate DEXA scores.  My dr. had me stop strontium for 30 days prior to the scan..did you do that? I've  had all  3 of my scans on the same machine. Once again thanks and take care...phyllis

Anonymous
BoneLady
7/14/09 1:08pm

Hi! Phyllis, I'm glad you've been reading my blog. I hope you will comment on my latest post. I like to get feedback. I did not stop taking strontium before my DXA scan. Some people stop taking strontium for various time periods before a scan, while others do not. Strontium stays in the bones for years; that's one of its benefits.

 

BoneLady

Anonymous
cm81256
9/ 3/09 10:37am

Hi Phyllis. What great news about your Dexa scan. I asked my endo about stronium ane he said absolutly not under any circumstances. He said people see an increase in the Dexa scans but it is not a true reading. Something about stornium being heavier and making appear to have more bone. I don't really understand why he would not give me the go ahead. He just said Do not. I am tempted to go out online and start taking it anyway I have heard nothing but good reports about it....Frown

9/ 3/09 5:09pm

HI CM...Your dr. is right, taking strotnium does give an overestimated score, since it's a heavier that calcium and shows up differently on the scan.  I've read that it can be  up to 50% in some articles and less in others.  Its not an exact science and won't be until our FDA approves its and regulates the testing.  DEXA machines need tobe calabrated differently for stromtium and not many are willing to do that for a few people.  With that said when i had my DEXA in June it showed when compared with previous scans to be 14% gain over 3 years..even if its really only 7%, that is a still a gain that i got without side effects or introducing potentially harmful chemicals into my body.  Your dr. is like most..since it not FDA approved it can't possible good, effective or safe.  If you are interested in strontium do your own research and come to to your own conclusions. take care..phyllis

Anonymous
Anonymous
1/10/10 3:24pm

As we learned from the harmful effects of bisphosphonates that were FDA approved; and promoted like God's gift; not everything FDA approves is safe or even effective. FDA like many places is run by politics and big money; namely, lobbyists of big pharma. So sometimes things get approved over a meeting, and a handshake deal. Other times, despite rigorous testing protocols and approval, drugs turn out to be toxic or fatal for some users then need to be taken off the market.

Anonymous
pac
10/ 6/10 5:59pm

I took Fosamax on my doctor's advice for two years.  I asked her about jaw deterioration after the first year because 3 friends had told me they experienced this side effect.  She told me that this was not a side effect and told me to continue use.  I followed her advice because she was my doctor.  A year later I had some dental problems and was told that my jaw had deteriorated to such a degree that I required a bone transplant before treatment could continue.  Most physicians depend upon FDA materials and drug company studies to give advice about drugs.  The next drug suggested was Forteo a hormone treatment that mentioned osteosarcoma in rats as a posssible connection to human side effects.  I refused this treatment.  I investigated the use of strontium citrate on my own and found clinical study reports from WHO and Mayo clinic.  There is now a trial going on in California.  I chose to take strontium citrate on my own and keep monitoring for any possible side effects.  You must begin a dialogue with your doctor about the use of strontium vs other drugs.  A dialogue does not include one person giving orders to another.  If there are real concerns in your case about its use he should be able to explain them to you in a manner you can understand.  If your physician refuses to have this discussion, then I might consider a second opinion with a person who is willing to truly speak to you as a person.  Just my opinion.

12/ 9/10 11:41pm

I am 53 years old and developed osteoporosis at the age of 45--had to beg my doctor to do a Dexa scan back then because I could tell something had happened with my posture.  The long story short is that I took Fosamax for about four years and stopped when I began hearing about the jaw side effects.  I have lots of dental problems.  Last year, I had to have several root canals and several crowns.  Did you know that Fosamax stays in your system for 14 years?  Me neither.  Not until I had to sign a ream of paper last year because of using Fosamax in the past to have an oral surgeon pull a tooth that had receded from my jaw and began to abscess (the oral surgeon's exact quote "Not only would I not use Fosamax, I would never use the IV form of a biophosphenate--that's even worse").  I also had a tooth that continued to hurt down into the jaw after a root canal and crown and the dentist said "We are not going to touch it and hope that it calms down".  And so here I was, dental problem after dental problem, not going to use Fosamax or any other biophosphenate, and wondering what to do.  I heard about the synthetic form of strontium in Europe and started doing my own research and found out about strontium citrate.  I am happy to say that I began taking 680 mg per day along with 1200 calcium and 1000 of D and noticed a difference after about a month in my overall hand and arm strength and the tooth that was hurting all day, every day, mysteriously stopped hurting.  I used to have kitchen scissors to open any container or bag, especially the ones that required you to pull up the cellophane tab on top of foam like those in bleach bottles, I would have to cut them out.  It is remarkable that I have been opening jars, bottles, pulling up the tabs, having to cut down on how much gusto i exert to open my fridge door because it's overkill now, etc.  The most dissapointing thing is that doctors do not explore any other options that might work.  I have decided to not even bother to have any further Dexa scans--I know what I am doing is working.  I want to also throw out there that a little dab of testosterone is helping to strenghten my bones.  i think it's sad that these options are not offered or tried in the elderly--I work in a rehab center as a nurse where I see lots of compression fractures, broken bones, hips, etc. and it is always the same therapy--Fosamax, Boniva, calcium, Forteo.  I just want to be an advocate for the patients, but I am not the doctor and he is not willing to explore other options for these people.          

7/ 7/09 4:08am

Dear Phyllis,

 

I must say I am deeply interested and inspired by your wonderful experience with strontium! Here is something that will surprise you -- people in India havent even heard of strontium as a therapy for osteoporosis, far less for anything else. Therefore your experience will be very valuable here in India and the Eastern Countries where everyone is given to understand by the doctors that biophosphonates are a "must" for osteoporosis.

 

I knew nothing about strontium and thought that it referred to strontium 90 a radioactive product that gets into the bones after a nuclear explosion! It interested me because I was  a nuclear physicist!!

 

I am going to the net to study on strontium and osteoporosis, at first I had seen a website that gave dreadful side effects like heart troube etc. but other sites dont speak of these side effects. Since you have taken it for so long without any problems I feel maybe these side effects were stray instances. But all the same do go into them, before socninuing strontium for years.

 

You may also see the following experiences, which were described as one of the best yet seen on the web on strontium:

 

http://www.inspire.com/groups/national-osteoporosis-foundation/discussion/strontium-therapy-for-osteoporosis/

 

Thank you so much for your wonderful encouraging description, most people give dubious results of their experiences with any medication, but yours is very lucid and inspiring and convincing.

 

I shall try to find out from New Delhi the capitol of India whether any doctors there have heard of strontium. If not, then I will tell them of your experiences.

 

Yours,

nathji

7/ 7/09 10:33am

Hi Nathji, thank you for your kind words.  I have done quite a bit of reading on strontium and luckily have had none of the side effects that can happen.  It is not perfect for everyone, but for many there've been no side effects at. It's a shame that more  people aren't aware of this supplement since so many have problems with the current crop of drugs. 

 

There is  prescription form of strontium citrate called Protelos, is made by the French company Servier.  You can go to their site and read about their studies and results. It's  being used in 72 countried around the world, but the USA is not one of them.  I buy strontium citrate online.

 

If it would help you i could post the complete DEXA report i was given by my dr.  It is basically what i posted, but an offical report may help when talking to dr. in your area.

 

Have a wonderful day..take care..phyllis

7/ 7/09 12:52pm

Dear Phyllis,

 

Many thanks for your kind reply. Yes, it would be very nice if you could post the complete Dexa results and how things improved. It would be a definitive proof of the working of the medicine for many people who are relying entirely on Dexa reports. I will copy and save it along with the rest of your post.

 

You are doing a wonderdul service to humanity by putting out these share posts -- which I am reading here,-- high up in the Himalayan mountains of Northern India!
One could never have imagined such sharing of ideas before the advent of the internet, which has brought us all so much closer across the oceans and continents!

 

Yours,

Priya

7/ 7/09 1:48pm

Hello Pryia, once again you are being to kind.  When i decided to take strontium it was me doing what i felt best for myself.  Little did know how far that decision would travel and the interest it would generate. The world is indeed getting much smaller, it never ceases to amaze me that i can talk to people all over the world and learn  so much from each. I've lived my whole life the midwest and can only imagine what it must be like to walk the Himilayas daily. I have seen the Rocky Mountains, they took my breath away.  On your next walk think of me walking the flat country roads surrounded corn and soybean fields of Illinois.  Take care...phyllis

 

 


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This is a comparision to the  scans done on 6/14/07/ and the original in 5/06.  There were no adjustments made for the strontium. I recieved a call from my dr. telling me the t-score of the lumbar spine, it is now -1.9, in 2006 it was -2.9.  No new scores were given for the left femoral head.

Bone mineral density is 0.833 g/cm2. There has been an increase in the amount of bone density since the baseline was taken 5/9/06 of 14%. 10% of this increase has been since the previous scan on 5/14/07. This is still in the mild osteopenia range with mild increased risk of fracture.

The bone mineral density of the left hip is 0.811 g/cm2. T score -1.1  (t-score in '06 -1.9and a Z score in the mild osteopenia range. There has been a 13.6% increase in the bone mineral density since the 5/06 study.

Conclusion...mild osteopenia in the lumbar spine and left hip. There has been moderate increase in the amount of bone mineral density since the previous exams.
7/ 7/09 2:35pm

Dear Phyllis,

 

Thank you for so painstakingly typing out the Dexa scans during your treatment with Strontium! This is invaluable information! Yes, I shall certainly be thinking of you in the aloofness of the Himalayan mountains! If a click at the mouse can carry across one's feelings in words, then  the feelings of the heart can surely reach out directly over the oceans and continents. Every time a person in pain finds relief from Strontium, his heart and mine, shall certainly reach out to you in gratitude and love. I will keep in touch! I am ever so grateful to Pam Flores for getting me to know you.

 

Yours,

Priya

7/ 8/09 3:19am

Dear Phyllis,

 

A worrisome thought has struck me about strontium -- would you happen to know whether it has any deleterious effects on the kidney, which would show up only after a long time and surreptiously creep up as the drug accummulates in the kidneys?

Would a creatinine clearance test be required for the kidney function before and during the treatment with strontium?

Is it recommended for people with impaired kidney function?

Is the strontium excreted through the kidneys or does it follow the liver cycle and go out through the stools?

When we say we experienced no side effects -- would that also include symptomless side effects, like silent damage to kidney function?

Thank you so much,

 

Yours,

Priya

 

 

 

7/ 8/09 7:14am

Good morning Priya, you ask very questions, but i do not know the answers.  This is a link to a very good article that tells about strontium.  It mentions the kidneys. If the link doesn't work try the copy and paste method or go to the site and look for it there.  Sometimes my links work and sometimes they don't.  Have a great day and enjoy the beauty that surrounds you.  take care..phyllis


http://www.rheumatology.org.au/community/documents/strontium130508.pdf

7/ 8/09 2:30pm

Dear Phyllis,

 

Thank you for your prompt reply. I was sorry to bother you so soon after you had answered so many questions already in such detail with dexa scans etc. However it concerned me that this might be of some importance even to you--have you had your kidney function tested before and during treatment with Strontium? Have you got a creatinine and urea blood test done?  

 

I am now going to the site you have suggested and will get back to you if anything "sinister" presents itself, --I hope not. I would be such a spoilsport to such  good news about strontium as you presented! But I am grateful to you for taking the trouble to locate the website and to send it to me. Thanking you again from the Himalayan Mountains.

Yours,

Priya

7/ 8/09 2:50pm

Dear Phyllis,

 

Thank you again for your kind information. I have downloaded the Strontium information -- and it does say that people with severe kidney disease should not take Strontium.

 

That is a bit discouraging, because many people dont know they have kidney disease since it is a silent disease with no symptoms until the kidney function falls much below 50%, and then there is water accumulation in the body, swelling etc., and low urine quantity. Somehow the word kidney disease always frightens me since my mother died from it without knowing she had it until it was too late.

 

But I suppose most medications, including biophosphonates, would not be allowed in impaired kidney function. For this reason I have always felt more comfortable with medicines excreted through the stools. But then one cant have everything in life. I was a bit worried for your sake lest you may have forgotten to get your kidney function tested, but you probably have and I do hope things are all right!!

 

I am still thrilled at your writing to me here in the Himalayas where medical aid is still as rare as a pink elephant. Can you imagine the only X Ray machine in the city is out of order most of the time? So if we break any bones we must travel miles down to a larger town with better facilities! And here I am talking about dexa scans!!

 

Please take care, and thank you again!

Yours,

Priya

 

 

 

Anonymous
Jan
7/14/09 7:36pm

My readings are not good concerning the osteoporosis....they want me to have the IV and I am afraid of side affects. They tell me you will feel bad for one day and I think.......well this is in my body for one year.....so what happens if I have side affects, then what? I wish I knew Strontium would really help build bone for me. I cannot exercise much with bad knees and back, but I try to walk when I can. I appreciated reading your input....thanks, Jan

7/15/09 6:39am

HI Jan....I don't know much about the IV therapy and as for side effects its seems some people have them and some don't to varing degrees.  Its not an easy decision to make when you've read the info and heard the stories.  I did have good luck with strontium and so have a few others i know, but we are all different and will have different results.  What to do with our bodies is a personal decision and finding the one we can live happily with is even harder.  Do some reading on strontium and make an informed decison as to what you want to do  for your bones.  Have you  talked to a physical therapist to find exercises that will be kind to your knees and back but, still benefit the bones?   take care...phyllis

Anonymous
Jan
7/15/09 9:02am

Dear Phyliss,

  Thankyou for writing back to me. I so appreciated what you had to say. I am to get synvisc shots in my knees and now they are saying my medicare won't pay for them. My Dr. wants to give me cortisone.....another drug I wish not to have in my body but not sure what to do anymore for the pain. I take no pain meds.....I take tylenol very, very infrequently. I had physical therapy a long time ago for my knees and ended up with a back problem. I have fibromyalgia and arthritis in my hip also......feel like I am in such a quandry regarding what to do and where to go.......I had cancer and almost 5 years clean so far.......it sure did a job on my immune system, my bones, and my stomach. I do not mean to go on but it is nice to have someone to talk to regarding all of this.......I asked the nurse to give me my results of the scan........Lumbar neg. 2.8

Left Hip.3.2 negative...........Femur 3.6....... I have been taking Ezorb calcium replacement and was told in two years my scans would be better. I have seen no improvement but has not gotten worse either. I am going to concentrate on finding out more about strontium and will get back to you. My Dr. said the IV would only bother me for one or two days.....but then I read all the other side affects from people who have had it and it is scary to say the least. Again, thanks so much for writing and for listening to me bend your ear........Jan

11/18/09 3:48pm

Hi - I am just starting out trying strontium (citrate) and wanted to double check, you take it on an empty stomach with a glass of water?

Thanks...

11/18/09 5:14pm

HI Ellen, that is a good question. I always take it with water, but i imagine you could take it with any liquid as long as it isn't something high in calcium like a glass of milk.   I don't think a small snack in the eveing snack does any harm either. My snacks are usually a piece of fruit or a few pretzels. In fact, the bottle i have says you can take it with food.  Another thought, if i haven't gotten at least 1000 mg. of calcium during the day i skip the strontium that night. I try to remember to take it each night, but if i forget i don't worry about it.  As long as you do the right things most of the time it not a big deal to forget once in a while. take care...phyllis

11/18/09 10:06pm

Thanks - I did read that the strontium citrate can be taken with food, but better apart from the calcium.  It's the Rx strontium ranelate that needs to be taken alone, I think.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1/10/10 3:37pm

Strontium citrate, SC  is probably the safest form of strontium. SC should be taken at least 2 hours from Calcium, Ca. However, the best time to take SC is said to be 1 hour before breakfast; and 4 hours from SC with lots of water for maximum absorption and residual clearance.

No one knows for sure if strontium is completely safe; and if safety or toxicity varies among individuals. Few recent long range studies have been done with  large cohorts; and those that have are very old from the 60s and 70s. We still do not know what the effect of taking SC long term, 20-30 years is on the liver, kidneys, and other vital organs. It would therefore be a good idea to have liver, kidney, and vitals functions checked yearly and mention to your HCP that you are taking strontium. My HCP at Kasier had not even heard of Strontium and strongly pushed me to take bisphosphonates. I decided to take strontium however. 

After 2 years on EZorb and SC my DEXA showed some improvement altho I still have significant osteoporosis at age 59.  I was taking SC at the time of the DEXA. I will get my next DEXA in a year without taking SC for a month to get a more accurate reading. I know that patients are advised not to take Ca 24 hours prior to a DEXA.  

Anonymous
Nutmeg
12/11/09 2:54pm

Thanks for the strontium info.  I was wondering if strontium skewed the dexascan results.  It does make bones more dense, which SUGGESTS they would be stronger, but is that necessarily the case?  I take some strontium - 227 mg ever other day - but I have not concluded that taking more would necessarily be better, as the excess must be eliminated and thus may tax the kidneys.

 

There are other nutrients people should be aware of.  The following are supposed to help bones:

 

Vitamin D3

Vitamin K2

Vitamin C

Magnesium

Selenium

Boron

Calcium (and some say that milk is NOT the best source of calcium because it is not well absorbed from that source; I believe that statement may be controversial, however)

 

This list is probably incomplete, but it contains what I have heard from many sources.  I offer the list so people will be sure to consider these vitamins and minerals in their own research; I believe a deficiency of any of the above will negatively affect bone health.  You can be getting plenty of calcium, but if you do not have the other minerals and vitamins, you won't utilize the calcium well.

 

12/12/09 9:21am

Hi Nutmeg, taking strontium does alter how a DEXA is read.  Since strontium is heavier than calcium it shows up differently on the scan.  You'll get an overestimated score unless the machine used is calibrated to account for the difference.  I've read that it can be an over estimate of anywhere from 10-50%, so finding an exact score is hard at this time. Strontium not only helps build new bone, but also has shown to reduce fractures.

 

Thanks for posting the other important bone nutrients. You're right that its just not one thing that does the trick, but a combination of everything we do. take care, phyllis

Anonymous
beachin4ever
7/26/11 1:32pm

I cannot find Strontium here in my small town. I have been ordering it online, but I 

am concerned about shipping in the summer heat. Will Strontium citrate degrade in the heat during shipping?

7/26/11 6:00pm

HI beachin4ever, thats a good question and one i've never really thought about. Items are shipped so quickly that i doubt if heat would affect it, but can't be 100% sure about that.  If you call the company you've ordered from they may have that information.  Like you, i've never been able to find strontium in any stores in our area.  I've always gotten it online and get 2 big bottles at a time so i don't have to reorder as often.  Sorry i can't be  more help. take care...phyllis

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