fibromalaysia with rheumatoid arthritis?
My dr is saying alot of my pain is associated with the fibro. I didn't even know I had that. He put me on Cymbalta?
Just wondering is others understand this.
Marly
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lupsgirl
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emealddragonfly
Friday, October 10, 2008 at 06:03 PMI was diagnosed with fibro over 15 years ago, although I'm certain I had it for many more years than that. I was diagnosed with RA 5 years ago & again I'm certain that I had that probably from at least the age of 10 when I remember some of the symptoms start to show. I'm now 52.
I can't even guess how many doctors told me all this pain was in my head. I guess I can't blame them them for doubting such invisible symptoms. But when your medical records are full of the same fantom pains over & over it has to be real.
I was starting to think I was crazy. It's no wonder most fibro & RA patients are also treated for depression.
I'm now having to file for disability as I can no longer work. After 30 years of doing daycare, I had to finally quit. I breaks my heart to no longer have these little ones around, but I can't safely take care of them anymore.
So yes these two nasty things go hand in hand.
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MD
Tuesday, December 30, 2008 at 04:43 PMHi Untitled. Guess I would like to reply and comment to your note. I too have had bad to severe body pain for over 10 years. My medical charts are filled with the same recurring answers to all the different specialists check lists. Fatigue, total body pain, swelling, mood swings, neck head aches, stiffness and the list goes on... I work for a number of Neurologists and I am sick of everyone telling me it is "depression" that is causing the pain. As someone who has been in the medical feild for several years I know the difference in depression as a primary illness diagnosis and depression caused by diagnosis. I have taken Wellbutrin and Zoloft and neither drug helped. They actually made me more depressed and people around me could not tolerate my attitude. I have been trying to take care of my symptoms with Tylenol, Ibuprofen and Motrin. I have not acutally had the work up needed to pin point a true diagnosis. I am in the process of using the resources I work for. I am certain it is one or both of either Fibro or Lupus. In any event I am still requesting a Rheum, Lupus, CA125, diabetes,Fibro, CBC and Met panel lab work up. I also take into account that I have had several female surgeries for cancer so this is the reason for the CA125 lab work. I want to right away exhaust the cancer issue. I am sorry to hear your disease has progressed to the point of not working. I know one day I will be in the same situation and it too will break my heart to not be here to help others as I truly enjoy what I do. Keep me posted if you hear of any new treatments and how things are going for you. Sincerely, MD
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RA & fibro
Calamity Jane
Monday, November 03, 2008 at 08:22 PMHi Marly,
I've had RA since I was a kid, but just recently I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia too -- don't know how long I've had it. They test 18 points for pain, if you have pain in half of them, that's a diagnosis. I had all 18, and can now recognize that a lot of my pain is coming from the fibro too. My Dr. hasn't given me anything for it -- I'm on prescription pain meds for the RA, and really need that. I would not be able to cope with my daily life without the meds. And I'm exhausted all the time.
Cymbalta is an anti-depressant. Did your Dr. tell you that? What kind of dose are you taking? I understand that it's supposed to have some effect on pain, because depression often causes physical pain. Are you depressed? I'm uneasy about doctors prescribing anti-depressants for a physical illness -- but then I'm uneasy with so many of western medicine's approaches.
Tomorrow I will get my first shot of Enbrel. I'm really worried. I tried Humira back in the summer, after years of resisting these types of drugs, because they're so toxic, have such dangerous potential side-effects. I mean, I don't need MS or lymphoma on top of the RA, thanks! So anyway, the Humira made me so sick that I was afraid I was dying. I live alone, and when this reaction hit I was hardly able to take care of myself at all. I had white blisters all inside my mouth and lining my throat. The palms of my hands were covered with painful blisters. I was throwing up, and had hives all over my back and the inside of my thighs.
My doctor kept saying "I've never seen anything like this before -- as if it were somehow my fault. Clearly, it was a severe allergic reaction (which she now admits). But it seems to me that all of these symptoms could easily result in having your immune system suppressed -- which is what these drugs are designed to do.
So how is the Enbrel going to be any different? I feel that I'm being forced into taking it, since my doctor says that she will not prescribe my pain meds unless I try the Enbrel. Without the pain meds, I can't even get out of bed, can't deal with daily life, am just dysfunctional, scared, and miserable.
She's also saying now that if I react badly to the Enbrel, she will not longer be my doctor, because unless she can put the disease into remission (by means of these drugs), she'll feel that she's not treating me. She's not interested in talking to me about getting joint replacement surgery (which I desperately need for one knee and one hip).
I sure would love to hear from anyone out there who might have had experiences like mine. I really don't know what to do. I need a doctor to help me monitor the disease, learn how to deal with it, all kinds of approaches. It's not my fault if I can't take these toxic drugs.
I'm confused, and scared.
re: RA & fibro
Cecily R Bornemann
Saturday, November 22, 2008 at 04:31 PMI just got recently diagnosed with RA, was diagnosed with Fibro a year ago. I'm not sure I understand why I have both but anyway. I'm in terrible pain and I don't know what to do. The dr. just started me on methotrexate and prednisone. Haven't noticed much of a difference. I'm still in pain. I work part time and am thinking I'm going to have to quit. How I'm going to make it financially, I don't know. Already on Social Security for my depression. However, it's not enough to pay the bills and rent. How do you guys do it? I have no support from my family, they believe it's all in my head and that the pain isn't that bad.
Cecily
re: RA & fibro
Ellen
Thursday, February 19, 2009 at 12:01 PMHi Jane (hope not to add to the Calamity part, sounds like you are there...)
or maybe just CJ?!
Sounds like your doctor is holding you hostage - why don't you attempt to get a second opinion on treatment - sounds like to have good reason to be anxious about trying another biologic. Enbrel does work for me - though the pain and disability has been gradually increasing, I realize that some of it is due to the damage that has occurred (started before I was on the Enbrel even) and some due to FM (my first diagnosis. Got both diagnoses in 2004.
I wonder if you have ever considered the antiobiotic treatment for RA? you can read about it in a book (there's actually a couple related books) "The Road Back" about research and treatment by a Dr. Brown at an arthritis hospital in DC earlier in the 1900s. It seems to be a gradual improvement, and I have talked with a few people whom it is the right treatment for. Another website is www.cpnhelp.org. Also, google the Marshall protocol. They are all similar, with some differences. You may have to search to find a doctor in your area who will prescribe, many just want to do the standard thing and leave it at that. It's also helpful in some other rheumatic diseases. I would (will) consider it if the Enbrel becomes ineffective for me, because I have a touchy liver, adn the standard DMARDS would probably mess it up more. I've had only mild side effects with Enbrel, with the exception of anxiety doing the injection myself for teh first time (was concentrating on doing the technique, but forgot I was also the patient until it was injected, and then caught by surprise ... I have strangely found that as the disease has backed off somewhat, that I've had to face some of my previously unresolved psychological issues, strangely enough. But it has worked out. I even look forward to injections, and only worry because the effect is not lasting as long as it used to.
You can also try some diet modification. Risk factors for RA include cigarette smoking, red meat, and studies have shown that a veg diet (fish can be added) is beneficial - decreases pain. Other foods that will aggravate some people's arthritis are the family (can't remember technical name) that includes tomatoes (very acidic - I eat only a little raw tomatoe now, not concentrated sauce), potatoes (knee arthritis in particular), green peppers (gives me more hand pain within hours), and eggplant. A little red wine (antioxidants) can be OK if you aren't taking meds that would disallow that. I have found that green tea is very helpful. Coffee lifts me up then crashes me down. Black tea sets off my sinuses bad. A cup of green tea with honey each morning clears my head and helps me focus. It's full of antioxidants, much more than black tea, which is more processed ('fermented', sometimes with certain molds deliberately, which is probably aggravating my mold allergy).
I sincerely hope you will not be stuck with a doctor who essentially is blackmailing you. You would think she would be sensitive to the fear you have based on past experience. I have had to get across to my doctors that my intuition is body-based, and it's usually accurate, though I have had to learn from them too where I'm off-base. It's a process. I disagreed seriously with my rheumatologist at first (he tried Remicade first, I was terrified, and did have signs of an allergic reaction, though nothing so severe as you have had. I went on my own for several months, (it was early in the disease stage, but I did already have wrist damage, so I don't necessarily recommend this), then went back to him and requested Enbrel.
From your doctor's end, I will say that Enbrel seems to have the least potential for damage. It's a 2x/week shot, the half-life is 3 days, so if there are back effects, they should go away a lot faster than the Humira, which my dr. says has the longest half-life of any of the biologics. He's happy that Enbrel works for me, and we get along now.
I wish you well, please write back, and stay in touch. Ask any other questions if you have them. God bless you!
Ellen
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sarah
Thursday, March 12, 2009 at 07:55 PMI have had fibro and for many years and was diagnosed with RA four years ago.
After making the ra diagnosis, my doctor put me on cymbalta. What a life saver. I was on 60mg everyday.
It definitely helped with my pain, the depression of being in so much pain, and the even the lack of energy.
The only problem was the cymbalta causes a lack of sexual function. With everything else I had given up, I wasn't willing to put that strain on my marriage. So they switched me to wellbutrin. I don't think it is working and I don't know what I am going to do.
If I could just get some energy I feel like I could deal with the pain.....
Anyway- Cymbalta is almost a miracle drug when it comes to fibro.
Good Luck to all-
Sarah
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Me too
Joyfulprayz
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM
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Fibro is common for anyone with an auto-immune disease. I have lupus and fibro and your dr is right, I have more day to day pain with the fibro. I am also on Cymbalta. the theory is anyone with chronic pain needs some type of anit-depressant and also Cymbalta has been shown to help pain