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Experience with Ankylosing Spondilitis Onset

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Hi, My son who is 13 was recently diagnosed with having a gene for SA but Rheumy said it does not mean that he will get it.  However, he has been experiencing RA symptons in his hands and feet along with back pain and weakeness in his legs.  It appears that it maybe the onset of AS? From wh...
  1. young for back pain!
    Ellen
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 02:47 PM

    I am shocked and saddened that doctors can just dismiss back pain in a child that young.  That's just not a common complaint - there is such a thing as juvenile arthritis too - my nephew had it (mostly in his knee/s) but fortunately outgrew it (doesn't always happen).

    They've tested his genes?  Did they already do blood tests? One would think that would happen first.  But the hands and feet - that sure does sound like some kind of inflammatory arthritis. 

    Let us know how things go - and don't give up advocating for him, sounds like he needs you to keep after them!

     

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    re: young for back pain!
    Rita
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 03:07 PM

    Thank you for your comments.  Yes they took several blood test even for lupus which the ANA test came back minorly positive but when they did more in depth blood test they did not find anything except for the gene for SA.  Yes I will keep advocating for him.  I do not want him on any heavy meds like the ones that I take. So for now it's lots of prayer, ibuprofen when he needs it, rest and eating healthy. Blessings Rita

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    you have a point ...
    Ellen
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 03:46 PM

    ANA can be positive for other things besides lupus, including RA but it's not required for the diagnosis.  When I was diagnosed with RA, my ANA was negative.  It is now barely positive.  My sister,on the other hand, who has polymyalgia rheumatica (and she's in her early 50s, which is young for PMR) had a rather high ANA, but doesn't have lupus. Very contradictory - I'm not sure she's really properly diagnosed, but a low dose of prednisone put her back on her feet.  She's always been active and was finding it difficult to even get up out of a chair. 

       You have a point about not getting on heavy meds if possible.  My nephew who had JRA was on just ibuprofen, I think.  But ibuprofen in larger doses can cause stomach problems, it did for me.  I switched to Celebrex and took that for years (even before I had RA, for other things).  And now I can't take that either.  I went for a couple of months with just Enbrel - which was great but does not take away all pain and can sometimes cause some for me.  I followed what a friend of mine did years ago, took Yucca AR (it's actually a mix, not just yucca).  I've also just added turmeric (yeah, the spice!  I put about a 1/4 tsp on a small bowl of raisin bran at night, sounds weird, but it's antiinflammatory, acts as a Cox2 inhibitor like Celebrex, and I sleep better!

         I have a friend whose daughter (mosaic Downs Syndrome, i.e., only partially is Downs in her genes, who takes Celebrex and Enbrel for her PA - psoriatic arthritis.  She had hip problems, is in her mid-twenties.  Seems to work well for her.

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    re: you have a point ...
    Rita
    Friday, November 06, 2009 at 11:43 AM

    Thank you for your comment.  Yes.  My son complained the other day about a stomach ache after taking 3 Ibuprofen at night.  Thank you for the info on Tumeric. I tried taking it as a supplement for a few weeks and I did not notice anything.  Maybe I need to give it some more time?  I have noticed that fish oil has helped me not wake up so stiff in the morning -I take it twice a day.   Blessings, Rita 

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    re: you have a point ...
    Rita
    Friday, November 06, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    Hi, I forgot to ask what is the brand that sells "Yucca AR" and where can I get it?

    Thank you Rita

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    Yucca AR
    Ellen
    Friday, November 06, 2009 at 01:46 PM

    The brand I have is Nature's Way.  There are other versions that have just yucca and not the mix.  I get it in a local health food store but I see that it's available online from several places...Just a caution, there is no guarantee that what works for one will work for someone else, and this is one of those 'not evaluated by the FDA' because there is not a standard.  Also, I am not a medical professional but do feel that I am benefiting from this particular supplement. I wish you well!

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    re: young for back pain!
    mmoore63
    Friday, November 06, 2009 at 01:08 AM

    Thank you for the note about your son.  I often wonder about my grandson.  He has had back pain since he was very young, perhaps 5, and he is now almost 8, and does tell his parents that his back hurts him, but they seem to ignore this.  The pain has become worse as he goes through puberty, and he has had quite a growth spurt in the past year.  He even tells his mother that his legs hurt at night and he does cry when this happens.  He doesn't complain about anything else, just the general pain in his back and legs.  We have RA in my family, I have very bad osteoarthritis, and his grandparents also had RA.  My daughter, who is my grandson's mother, has arthritis, which has become worse in the past 2 years and she is 34.  If anyone has a suggestion, or could lead me in a direction to help my grandson, I would truly appreciate it, and good luck with your son.

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    re: re: young for back pain!
    Ellen
    Friday, November 06, 2009 at 08:53 AM

    It could be what used to be called growing pains, which is when the bones grow faster than the muscles.  When this happens in the spine, it can be really bad.  We have a friend (adult now) who was in the hospital for 6 months in 8th grade because of this.  It was a real crisis.  It is not trivial.

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  2. Me again, signs I had at your sons age.
    Sharon
    Tuesday, November 03, 2009 at 03:01 PM

    As a small girl I would wake my mother at night crying because of pain in my legs, back and just overall pain.  My parents thought I was doing this because I was a twin and perhaps was wanting attention.  At the age of 13 they finally noticed that the pain was getting so much worse and that my spine was beginning to make a frightening change that maybe I needed checked out.  I was finally diagnosed with Scoliosis and arthritis.  Scoliosis is something to check in to....I wore a Milwaukee brace until I supposedly quit growing.  Well, my spine continued twisting and I had to have my back fused with rods, screws, and I was then put in a body cast from my chin to my pelvic bone for nine months. (I was 27 at the time)  I am now 56 and I have since then had 3 surgeries on my neck and one on my right shoulder. Oh yes, I also had to have surgery to try and stabilize my low back which failed.  I live with chronic pain daily; along with terrible migraines.  I'm not trying to frighten you....just check it out. 

    God bless you Rita, and your precious son.  I have two of my own.Smile

     

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  3. just another spondylosis sufferer..........
    melanie
    Saturday, November 07, 2009 at 02:56 AM

    hello rita, i'm melanie.  if you'll go back and read my previous posts you'll learn my history.  i have spondylosis in my hips/sacrum.  i'm now 51, but i know i've had this disease for my entire adult life.  my rheumy says i probably had juvenile RA that wasn't diagnosed.  i'm 6ft tall and had horrible "growing pains" in jr high and then after i finished nursing school in 1986 i had terrible pain in my neck and hips all the time.  eventually in my tailbone, so bad i worked nights and i couldn't sit down.  i went hours when we weren't busy, just walking around!  anyway, i test negative for everything, but have RA from both sides of my family.  i test neg for hla B-27 (i think it is) that is the genetic testing for spondylosis.  i haven't been told mine is ankylosing, but i know i have inflammation in my sacrum all the time.  my doctor injects my hips with steroids about twice a year, it's not painful....i get some pain relief, but not completely.  the best thing i've done in forever to help myself was to go buy a sacroiliac belt.  my doctor told me that was ok, just not to wear it all the time.  i wear it while i work, i still do a good bit of lifting and it helps tremendously.  heat and ultram are my buddies too.  i've taken ultram for 6-8 yrs, occasional hydrocodone.  i sure hate to hear about your son being only 13, but it's good to know what your dealing with so he will understand why he hurts.  you need to find a good physical therapist too.  that ibuprofen is going to eat up his stomach, be careful.  i've taken celebrex for years too and i couldn't function without it.  i know you are afraid of the big meds, but remember they will stop some of the damage and they really do help to get a handle on the pain.  i take methotrexate inj and humira both weekly.  it's scarey, but necessary.  make rice socks with old tube socks.  just pour cheap rice into them, tie a knot at the top and he can warm them in the microwave before bed and take it to bed to lie on.  you just can't imagine how much that helps and it's way safer than a heating pad.  they starts stinking after awhile!  my kids probably put them in for too long and they smell like burned popcorn!  but, they are cheap and i make zillions of them.  i even warm them up for my pets - i have a hairless dog and cat!! tell your son to think about becoming a rheumatologist when he grows up.  they don't take call - much!  we need more that REALLY understand the disease.  i wish you guys the best and good luck with all the decisions y'all will make about the meds.  if i can ever help, just let me know.  melanie

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  4. Juvenile AS and JRA/JIA
    Butterfly Warrior
    Monday, November 16, 2009 at 09:26 AM

    Okay, just a little tizzy of mine.. I have to say.. it'sJuvenile RA.. not RA... believe it or not, besides age, there IS significant differences between adultonset RA and Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis... now called Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis. Their are 3 main subcategories in JIA and then some. With Juvenile AS.. which is very rare... it can be complex to  dx. any rheumatic disease. it's IMPORTANT to see aPediatric Rheumatologist and I know they are a rare breed but adultrheumatologist are TERRIBLE at dx kids. I have had JRA since I was very young and now im 32.. it'sSTILL called JIA.. just b/c im an adult doesnt change the dx to RA. I find that most adult rheumatologist I have seen are not great at dealing with young adults with this disease so that'sakey factor.

     

    I haveto say that I carry a LEgene... Lupus Erythematosos but doesn't mean I have it. It does raise my risk/vulnerabilityof it in me and any offspring I could have in the future.

     

    One b ig issue I had is that myback has always been a significant issue but for many years my pain and immune systemissues were ignored or thought to be 'in my head.' I even got shingles when I was7... seems that wouldhave been a clue that my immune system is messed up.

     

    Anyways my main reason for writing is to suggest the JRA list on yahoo groups. it is an AWEESOMEEEEEE support system for parents of kids withrheumatic diseases and quite a few of us adults with JA are on it to. I was with it for along long time but not currently due to 2 muchstress to handle all o ftheemails and such. They accept people without a cleae diagnosis and there are several parents there who have kids that have JAS as well as other spondyarthropathies. Ankylosing Spondylitis is one of several SA conditions. And like all autoimmune type rheumatic issues, it can affect any area although some diseases are more prone to affect aparticular area as is the case with AS.

     

    Good fortune.. hope yourson doesn thave any SA or JIA etc. I also haveJuvenile onset fibromyalgia and a bunchof other random health issues. I finally got a good primary care doc and goodpediatric rheumatologist that got me on the right road... wish I still had them now butI outgrew them. Anyways, the list also has good information on ped rheumies in different areas too.

     

     

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