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A Beginner's Guide to RA: Social Security

Lene  Andersen
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Lene Andersen

Wednesday, May 20, 2009
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"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."~ Mahatma Ghandi   A friend of mine once said that applying for Social Security Disability felt like she was declaring herself legally dead.   In our culture, what you do is who you are and if you can't work anymore...
  1. You are always Right On !
    suezcoe
    Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    I recently tried to apply for SSD, only to find that my previous employer didn't turn in 4 years worth of my ss. I didn't keep all of my tax return forms or pay stubs  ( this was from 1983-1983) since my file box was full. The IRS doesnt even have that far back on  microfilm. How do I prove I worked all those years???? and what pay basis would they even go on if I could prove it????? KEEP RECORDS OF EVERYTHING is the best advice!!! I didn't and am screwed!!!

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    re: You are always Right On !
    Lene Andersen
    Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 02:54 PM

    Ouch! that's a hard way to find out that you should always keep everything. Thank so much for posting that story - hopefully, it will help somebody else.

     

    Hope you find a way around this issue .

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  2. Thanks Lene,
    Brad
    Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM

    Great post and very timely for me. I did research the Disability Secrets site, some good info there as well. I watched my wife fight the system for 3 years. It is a difficult struggle, and needs to be started as soon as you know you can no longer function at your job.

     

    Brad

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    re: Thanks Lene,
    Lene Andersen
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 01:13 PM

    One of the things that frustrates me to the point of foaming at the mouth is how difficult it is for people to get help when they need it.  THREE YEARS???  That's ridiculous, but alas, common.

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  3. Untitled Comment
    Anonymous
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM

    I know how it is to live with RA. I'm 38 and have lived with RA for about 12 years. It has been about 3 years when the doctor came back and told me that I would not be able to work any more. I just didn't know what to do at first. I just really wanted to go live in a cave some where and die. But then I called and applied for SSD it took about 6 months for me to hear something back. I now attend college because I need to find a job that i can do. this has really help me so much. Since I didn't give up I feel whole lot better. My doctor even told me that he is so suprise at how My RA is doning that since I keep my self active with school it helps my RA. So what I'm trying to say is don't give up if u can go back to school and learn something new it does not matter how old you are just try it and you will feel a part of something all over again.

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    re: Untitled Comment
    Lene Andersen
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 01:11 PM

    So glad to hear your experience went from awful to hopeful.  Thanks for commenting!

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  4. Third time's a charm
    Jamie
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    Great article Lene, thank you for opening this discussion.  We can all learn from each other.  In my own immediate family my mother has been on SSI for years due to fibromyalgia and my brother has been on it for many years as the result of injuries incurred during a logging accident.  In addition, as a pharmacist with many patients who have gone through the process I can tell you that denial of your claim the first and second time should be expected.  It is almost always the third try that gets approval.  This was the case for my family members too.  So as Lene says, get started as early as possible, know that you will be turned down at least on the first attempt and prepare yourself mentally for that. 

     

    I will probably be applying soon myself.  I have RA and fibromyalgia.  I am still in my first year and my understanding is you have to have been disabled for at least one year.  I'm not there yet but can certainly start the paperwork and research.  I have also been to the Disability Secrets web site and found it very helpful.  I will try it without an attorney.

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    re: Third time's a charm
    Lene Andersen
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 01:15 PM

    It's "normal" to get rejected twice? Oh, my blood is boiling now.  Civilized society, indeed.

     

    Yes, the 1-year requirement is there, but you're right - getting all your ducks in a row now so you can hit the ground running (pardon the mixed metaphor) is a good idea.

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    re: re: Third time's a charm
    Jamie
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 01:50 PM

    Yes, being denied twice is absolutely the norm.  It's well known.  An SSI disability attorney will tell you that ( I spoke to one last a couple of weeks ago).  Guess they don't want to make it too easy and hope that you will get discouraged and give up. 

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  5. Positive Point of View?
    Daina
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 03:37 PM

    I applied for SSD in Mid-January 2009. Mid-March 2009 I was approved. I know that this is not the norm, but they acted very quickly with my case. I was told that, since it was a disease on the "approved list" that it sped up the process. I think it also didn't hurt that I've had this disease for 28 years and had most of my records and doctors info for that whole time.

    I too felt like I was giving up on myself, but my husband helped me out of that way of thinking.

    Don't give up, one of the reasons it's so hard is that there are quite a few people abusing the system, so the system takes it's time.....

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    re: Positive Point of View?
    Lene Andersen
    Friday, May 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    I once saw statistics about abuse in the Canadian welfare system which estimated fraud to be between 5-12% (and I read that this number is a fairly standard number of fraud in any system). If you flip those numbers, that means that 88-95% of welfare cases are not fraud, yet the system treats everyone as automatically suspect. There is something wrong with that....

     

    Glad your case came through quickly.

     

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  6. Social Security Disability
    knittingyoyo
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 10:36 PM

    Lene,

    This is excellent information. When I applied for SSD I was fortunate in that I had documented my illness, my doctor appointments and any meds I had taken. I was shocked by the amount of paperwork but got it finished and sent it in. I feel it was easier for me because of my documentation. That and I have an excellent rheumatologist. My sister insisted I apply for SSD since I was not able to go back to work teaching. Standing most of the day and the stress of teaching was not condusive to recovery. In the past five years SSD has been a lifesaver for my meds and doctor expenses when my husband lost his job. Having a painful disease and not having insurance is not a good combination. So I agree, fill out the paper work, get any info you need collected and keep a journal of everything about your illness. That makes the process easier .

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    re: Social Security Disability
    Lene Andersen
    Friday, May 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM

    Thanks for posting your story - it's valuable information confirming how important it is to get started as quickly as possible.

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  7. Thanks!
    Jeanne
    Monday, May 25, 2009 at 01:51 PM

    Thank you so much for posting this.  This post made me feel so much better.  I'm 21 and I've worked a few jobs here and there but nothing I could ever stick with because of my undiagnosed RA for years.  Now I'm at a point with deformity in my hands and pain to where I can't work anymore.  It's so harddddd to explain to people why I'm 21 and can't work.  I try to look on the bright side that I'm having an early retirement haha, but apart of me still yearns for that independence.  I hope maybe with more medicine and surgery later in my life I can go back to work.  Thanks for this post, you made my day so much better.

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    re: Thanks!
    Lene Andersen
    Monday, May 25, 2009 at 02:32 PM

    Glad I could help!

     

    It can be really hard seeing options when things are hard, but it is possible. I've used a wheelchair since I was 16 (back in my day, they didn't have the treatments we do now), I have a university degree, have worked in several different settings and although I'm not able to work full time anymore, I'm still working. The more education you have, the more options you have - if you can't do one thing anymore, you can translate the skills you have into another situation. You may want to check out my recent post on going back to school for tips on getting more education and information about the kinds of accommodations that are available that can help you complete a degree (e.g., doing it part-time, getting more time for exams, assistive technology like voice recognition software). If down the road you have questions, feel free to send me a message.

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    re: re: Thanks!
    Cindy
    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM

    Lene,

    Please read post number nine that I wrote in response to this.  Do you know, Am I missing something somewhere and could be receiving medicare?  I really need help with medical bills.  Iam going without needed services and meds because I just can"t pay for everything unless I sell my home or empty my savings acct, which is shrinking at a quick rate anyway.  I think people should know about this stupid rule.  I think many are unaware of it.  They are thrilled that they are accepted and don't realize that medical benefits don't follow directly along with the monthly check.

    I enjoy your writings and always open what you have written so I thought maybe if you put this problem out their many  would listen or look at what you have written.  Keep up the good work keeping so many of us informed.

    Cindy

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    re: re: re: Thanks!
    Lene Andersen
    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM

    Like I said in my previous answer, I just don't know enough about the American system to give you any kind of solid advice. There may be some information on the websites I linked to (Disability Secrets and the Disability Secrets blog). Logic tells me that if you are approved for SSD, it would be unreasonable to expect you to wait two years to get Medicare, so it's possible that there is a rule somewhere saying that you should qualify for Medicare, but that the bureaucracy has hidden it from you. I find that social assistance bureaucracies do their best to keep the client ignorant about what they're entitled to - guess it saves money in the long run?

     

    The drug companies do have programs that assist people of limited means with getting e.g., Biologics.  For a list of the different companies, programs and contact information, click here.

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  8. Untitled Comment
    Julie Robbins
    Monday, May 25, 2009 at 04:44 PM

    Boy, THANKS!!! so much. I just recently lost my job and am contemplating SSD. It all overwhelms me. Julie Robbins.

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    re: Untitled Comment
    Lene Andersen
    Monday, May 25, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    Can't blame you for feeling overwhelmed - when I did the research for this post, I felt pretty overwhelmed myself!

     

    Glad if the post helped.  Good luck!

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  9. Untitled Comment
    Cindy
    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 12:13 AM

    I applied in June 2008 and received my first check November 2008.  I did all the filing myself and strongly feel that people should try this first before hiring a lawyer to help you.  Going to websites that give you inside info or tips helps.  I feel that I received the benefits the first time I applied was because I really focused on how much need I had now from other with my daily self help needs.  ie dressing, driving,shaving your legs, cooking etc. 

     

    I think that something that should be addressed is the unbelievable stupid bureaucratic ruling that says that you must be deemed disabled for two years before you qualify for medicare benefits.  This is killing me financially right now.  We are all aware of the costs for our treatments and medications.  I was self employed and no longer have health insurance and no company wants to insure me.  Any and all the money that I did have in reserves is being sucked out of my savings acct. at a rapid rate to pay for services and medications until I qualify for medicare in June 2010 I have no choice but to self pay.  It is taking me down a terrible financial path quickly.  I don't understand how they can find you totally disabled with your first application to them and then not back it with health benefits??????  Am I missing something somewhere?  Are others in the same boat?  I have to believe others are.  This is making life so stressful for me and I am afraid I will loose everything I have due to my decreased income and now needing to self pay for services.  I feel this is shameful that our government lets this happen.  I would rather have the health benefits than the small check that I receive monthly.  I am sure I would be in better financial shape if I got medical help and no monthly check.  Of course the best case scenerio would be if you are deemed disabled you automatically qualify for medicare without the two year waiting period.  If I am missing something someone please tell me what I need to do to get medicare NOW.

    Thanks to all

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    re: Untitled Comment
    Lene Andersen
    Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    unfortunately, I don't know enough about the American system to advise you in any sensible way. the only thing I can do is agree wholeheartedly - it seems a particularly idiotic piece of bureaucratic nonsense. As far as a way around it goes, would your Congressperson's office be able to help?  I don't know if that's the appropriate political representative to go to - would your senator be a better choice? - but if I were having trouble accessing something like Medicare up here in Canada, but that's what I would do. Not only may they know something you don't, but you could advocate for legislative change while you're there. 

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