Monday, February 09, 2009 Frustrated.... asks

Q: Can RA have a regular flare up schedule?

My wife has RA and works fulltime Monday to Friday 7-5 approx every day.  She seems to have no problem going to work and staying late whenever needed.  However, the minute she gets home and all day on the weekends she will stay in bed.  She tells me it's all she can do, my question is how can this happen just on Saturdays and Sundays.  I realize that she is tired from working the week and would understand some extra re-coup in the evenings and weekends but this seems to be more a choice that she is making to stay in bed.  We have 2 boys age 11 and 14 and I have felt like a single father of 3 for the past 4-5 years,( a couple years prior to her going back to work)  I do 99.9 % of all the house work, all the finances/ bill paying, all kids dr's appts etc....  BTW I too have been working fulltime through all of this ususally 50-60 hours a week.  Often she lays in bed and watches me run around the house like an idiot but will never offer up help.  Does this all seem right to everyone?  I just need to understand why the same sense of purpose she gets from work, she does not get by being a wife or a mother.  For the most part, the boys and I have been on our own for quite some time and I need to know is this what I can expect going forward because it has not been going well.  I have tried to be accepting of this behavior and have been more than supportive of the illness just by her never having to do a thing in this house, i just dont know how much longer I can take things the way they are as I really and starting to feel like I am being taken advantage of.  I know this will probably stir up some responses from RA sufferers and I am in no way trying to downplay the effects of RA.  I am just trying to understand my situation and somehow rationalize her behaviour.

 

Thank You!

 

--frustrated beyond belief

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Lene Andersen, Health Guide
2/10/09 11:32am

RA comes with a significant fatigue factor that increases the more you do and the more pain your in. Once you've had chronic pain for a while, you learn to block the pain while doing something you have to do (or something you like to do) and then when you get home, you keel over, exhausted. This may be what's happening to your wife - that she's holding it together while at work because she has to, but is only able to go to work because she spends the rest of the time resting. As Hope said, she may also be experiencing some depression related to her illness.

 

I would recommend that the two of you speak to your doctor or find a family counselor - it sounds as if your home life is on the verge of implosion and you and your wife are no longer communicating well. Having a counselor assist you through that can be very helpful. As well, if part of the reason why your wife is so tired is due to her work taking all her energy, you may wish to contact the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for information on accommodation of your wife's health issues in the workplace. The Americans with Disability Act mandates that employers have to accommodate disability, by which the process of work can be altered e.g., if your wife's job is not always depended on her being in the office, she may be able to work from home, which may not bring her energy quite so much.

 

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2/ 9/09 5:35pm

First of all, I am sorry for situation, it cannot be easy on you or the kids.  But every one situation is different,especially with the desease.  I find that being more active makes me feel better, not just physically but mentally.  It sounds like she may be suffering from depression.  Chronic pain is not easy on the mind body or the soul.  It physically exhaustes you and mentally you want to just throw in the towel.  Is her pain being managed correctly?  Maybe you should suggest going to the dr's. with her and speak to him about her mood.  Speak to her about it, tell her how you feel, how the kids feel.  Tell her that you miss her and need her in your life and not just physically.  If you need help around the house ask her what she can do(maybe fold the clothes while she is in bed).  Get her to communicate to you what she may need or want from you?  All is not lost if you put the frustration aside.  I do hope that everything works out for you both in the end and don't give up.

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2/10/09 1:05pm

I think it is really wonderful that you are on the internet trying to figure out what to do.

 

When I was in high school I would get home from school and not be able to do my homework because the day had drained me. Then I would realize I had an exam and stay up late studying. In the morning I would feel like crap b/c of staying up late, I would not be able to get out of bed, and then I would be late for school. The cycle is vicous. It would go like this for a few weeks then I would need to miss a few days.

 

It is very likely that your wife is actually too tired to move and needs to be in bed. I do agree that she may be suffering from depression. The chronic pain, the feeling like she is constantly in a race against the disease, not being able to do any pleasure activities, and probably not being able to help out and be a part of the family are all feelings that may be making her situation worse.

 

I would say that the only thing you could do is talk to her. Do not accuse her though. She will be defensive because she is already being attacked by the disease. Try to present yourself in a way that shows that you only want to do what you can to help her.

I know that you are tired and feel like you are being walked on. But, I would like you to know that without that support from my mother (she showered, dressed and fed me on days that I couldn't) I would not be graduated from high school. I know that right now it doesn't seem like it, but she will thank you in the end if you just stick by her side.

 

Please try to feed her organic, live food. It will help her energy. As long as you are online, please look at these websites. I have found that the drugs sap so much energy out of you just because your body is trying so hard to detoxify itself from all the chemicals they contain. She needs to feed herself the best nutrients possible to help her body out.

 

http://www.drfuhrman.com/disease/arthritis.aspx

 

http://www.gillianmckeith.info/yourbody/index.php

 

http://www.jonbarron.org/detoxing-health-program/why_we_detox.php

 

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/chronic_conditions.aspx

 

I hope this helps. Good luck with everything!

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2/10/09 2:08pm

hi

 

i think its great u are trying to get answers.RA is a very hard condition to live with not just for the person but every one around them. iv had RA 12 years and at the start i didnt want to do anything the pain was so bad i  just lay in bed when i could.doc told me to give up work but i was a teenager and as u do wanted to go out and earn money to do things. everyone is diff. but i got to the point that i used to lass out at my familly for trying to help me, i wanted to do it myself and snow people that i wouldnt let this get the better of me.meds help allot but finding the right medication takes time. the more i do the better i feel but sometimes it just takes over and theres nothing anyone can do, iv even had to get my partner to do my hair and get me in and out the bath.not so hot. but thats just the way it is. talk to her about how u feel,cause is not fair on u and u sound so understanding and willing to do anything to help.one thing i would say is she cant let it take over her live. its hard but she has to fight it and contact doctor as she may need stronger medication to help. all the best hope things get better and ur doing the right thing talking to people. xx

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2/11/09 1:31am

If she is on a med like methotrexate(MTX) which is normally administered once a week, she could be wiped out on the weekends due to the toxic effects of the med.  It is common to have fatigue and nausua the days following the med.  I chose to inject MTX to minimize the toxicity, but would still feel sick from the med for 3-4 days after the day I took MTX.  My rheumy eventually pulled me off the med after too many side effects that outweighed the benefit.  Make sure her TSH is around 1-2 or she could be suffering from thyroid disease which is common w/ RA.  Fibro/chronic fatigue synrome, etc. also common.  I take cymbalta for fibro pain and depression related to RA and it helps.  It helps me to sleep 12 hours a night when I can and I can nap for 5 hours during the day when the fatigue hits me hard.  I am single and have always wondered how working mothers survive RA.  Probably a medical reason underlying the problem, disease fatigue, depression or toxic meds.  Maybe talk with her doc?  consider yourself her caretaker and get some help from conseling, support groups, etc.  RA is very hard on relationships, my boyfriend of 6 months just figured out what a bummer it is to be with someone with chronic illness and wants to "just be friends" cus he wants everything to be positive and perfect in life.  You are on the right track to ask for help to understand what is going on.

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2/12/09 10:47am

Your wife probably is totally worn out. I find that working from 7 to 5 ( a 10 hour day)is hard, when I get home I have to push myself to the limit to do anything around the house. I am totally worn out and alot of times I just lay on the couch & watch TV with my husband. Keeping the perfect house is not impt anymore, if I want it that clean, I  hire someone to do it.

I am taking Provigil to help keep me awake.

You & Your wife need to talk to her RA dr and have more test run. Besides low vitamin D, she could have low postassium.The meds make you tired & depression can make everything worse. Don't give up and don't let her give up!

 Can you afford to take a weekend getaway? Maybe alittle TLC and a different amosphere will brighten her spirits!

Communication is the key!!!!  

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2/12/09 2:39pm

Dearest Fustrated,

                            I symphize with what you and your entire family is going through. I myself suffer from RA,I also suffer from numerous other medical issues. I must say your wife sounds as if she takes Saturdays and Sundays to recoupe from the fatigue of RA. This is understandable,to a degree...... Maybe it would benefit you all if you and your wife got some counseling. The pressures you are dealing with sounds VERY overwhelming.As well your wife not only has to deal with the physical issues of RA,she seems to also have emotional issues. With myself,I find it extremely fustrating to be in pain and not able to do the things that at one time came so easy. My husband and I felt it best to seek some counseling.It help everyone cope alot better with what my abilities are and what to kind of expect from me. Believe me ,I totally know how your wife feels. The pain and exhaustion is over whelming,and yes I have times when I stay on the couch or in bed,sometimes it is for a day or two. Then for the most part I have to push myself. I feel that my family suffers as much as I do. I have a very loving and understanding husband and my children try very hard to understand there are many times,the children feel that it isn't fair for them ,my youngest being 10 yrs. old feels fustrated alot. I guess for us being educated about RA and its affects on ones entire family,was beneficial for us. Try talking to your wife let her know how everyone feels and that maybe you all talking about what is happening to the family,and being willing to work things out,just may help. I'm truly sorry that your entire family and life is being so affected in such a negative way. I don't know what treatment your wife is getting medically, but for me,I have been getting monthly treatments of REMICADE. The results from my monthly IV have tremendously helped me. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.   RA sufferer

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2/12/09 8:14pm

Like your wife, I have RA (onset in my 40s when my youngest was only 11 years old) and I have worked full time prior to and after my diagnosis.  The crushing fatigue that sends your wife to bed/couch on evenings and weekends is real.  I had the exact same thing.  HOWEVER--there is help for her.  She needs to share with her rheumatologist exactly what you have described here.  That *can* happen on occasion, but it should not be her way of life.  It is not fair to her, you, or the children.  I used to come home from work and literally collapse on the couch, while Tom made the dinner and cleaned up afterwards.  The tide turned when I started on Remicade.  In fact, it was the Remicade added to a laundry list of meds that gave me my life back.  My energy was restored.  Of course, nowadays if I over do it, my joints and body "reward" me with a flare or pain.  But I have learned to pace myself and do what is necessary first.  And not push myself beyond a reasonable limit.  Your wife needs help with her RA...and it should start with her physician.  She needs to be fully open with him/her so they can find a workable regimen of meds, modifications, and guidelines to deal with a very tough disease.

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2/13/09 3:05pm

Dear Frustrated- I TOTALLY hear what you are saying and can understand how you feel as a partner & caretaker. I have been diagnosed (for 8yrs Fibro & 4 yrs. with RA). Most RA patients do have another form of an autoimmune disease to go along with the RA, atleast that's not uncommon-she might have this or chronic fatigue which would also make her tendency to be physically wiped out after ANY activities. I was working full-time in a VERY HIGH-PACED Dr.'s office where I literally ran all day long, except for maybe a lunch when i could fit it in. I did this for about a year after I was diagnosed with RA. I had days when I would go into the restroom & cry because I hurt so bad & desperately wanted to go home & collapse from the pain & exhaustion I was in. This was something that my husband NEVER knew until later. I pushed myself as hard as I could because we needed the money. But, not unlike your wife, I came home after work & completely fell apart. I was lucky to get my clothes changed, grab a bite to eat, & then it was pass out on the couch or have to go to bed early. The weekends I didn't always stay in bed but it did take me all-weekend to recover physically in order to be able to go back to work on Monday.  If I had not had pain medicine to get me through, I would NOT have been able to run any errands or tidy the house or go to the grocery store! I had to take naps during the weekends & limit my chores/errands to maybe a couple a day. During the week, my husband also had to cook & run errands & take care of our daughter- he got home before I did so it naturally fell to him to do those things until I got home. He made dinner or ordered out, chauferred our daughter to school events. I felt guilty but what could we do, I had to work to bring home a paycheck & couldn't get off work early. So we dealt with this as best we could. But after about a year of this crazy pace for me & him, I got to the point where I knew it was no longer in my power to be able to work fulltime. I quit work & thought a part-time job would be in my future. Well, after various jobs, trying to make something work, I still had the same symptoms. It's hard to find a job where you can sit & rest if you need to, maybe walk around if you have been sitting at a desk, or leave early if your having a bad day of pain. The best option is a work from home job if you can find something that is flexible for her. It's extremely hard. Basically I think she is at a point to where it is time to rethink full-time work & as someone else suggests, disability is also an option. It's a very humbling, embarrising, & devestating point when you have to admit it's time to change or give up a job or admit that you are truly to the point of being disabled. It can be extremely depressing for you & her at this point but no matter what I think it's time for a change. Yes, talk to the Dr., maybe she needs medication adjustments, upping the pain medicine or starting some would help a great deal! Also you will have to adjust to a wife that doesn't work full-time, no extra paycheck coming in, BUT if she is able to be home & do maybe half of what you've been doing, I'm sure it would be a relief to you. At first my husband wasn't sure that it was physical, when I quit work, he thought I was more stressed. This is where she will HAVE to communicate with you, possibly the counseling will help start this process. Once I sat down & told my husband what was going on with me at work....the crying in the bathroom in pain and all the physical problems I was having trying to do my job, he saw things more clearly & understood why it was time. I've been at home now for 3 years & I do work, I do the normal stuff but not at the pace a normal housewife could do. I do things as I can physically and when I am having  better days I try to do more. But there are times when i am in an extreme flare where i can't work that day. I don't spend all day in the bed but somedays I do need to take a nap. And like someone else mentioned the day or two after taking my Methotrexate & Humira, it wears me out, then I am ok. These are STRONG medications, some of these are also given to Cancer patients & we all know the fatigue that these patients go thru. Educating yourself will help & you have taken a good step by getting on here to get more info. Keep that up & possibly look for pain or RA support groups in your area. There are alot of husbands out there that suffer in silence as a caretaker and feel guilty. You don't have to do that, if you talk to other couples you will see that many go thru what you are going thru. You need to also talk to her about needing time for yourself to rejuvinate. This will have to be worked into the schedule so you won't loose your mind & give up on your marriage in the process! That will take change as well, letting some things go around the house or talking to your kids & working out a chore schedule for them to help out as well. And speaking of kids, don't neglect thing in councelling either. My daughter went thru a phase where she was angry at me & thought I did not like her anymore because I couldn't attend all of her school functions. This came out when she got stressed to her max, neither me or my husband knew she felt this way. We let her go talk to someone every few weeks so she can get any anger & feelings off her chest with someone who isn't involved. Since then things are way better!

Gosh there is just so much I could say about this situation but I think with these replies you get the jist of things. Yyes, this can be normal for an RA patient but there are meds than can help, support groups that can help, adjusting to a different lifestyle -her no longer working. By the way, we made compromises after I quit working. I sold my brand new Saab that I had worked long & hard for, sold extra stuff in yard sales & ebay, and changed from buying the best money could buy for our family, to what we really only needed & could afford. I had to get over an ego of wanting the best "names" in products & live more frugally. We buy those fancy brands at thrift stores now & nobody knows the difference but it has enabled us to live without my husband being overwhelmed by bills & only 1 income coming in. So, goodluck my friend, talk to your wife about all this, and if she has a hard time opening up or feels rejected by you, suggest you want to make it work not fail & to go to a couples therapist!

P.S. I don't know how long you've been married but try to remember everything she did for you & your kids BEFORE RA hit her. Before RA hit me, I did everything, cooking, cleaning, housework, kids activities, outside yard-work....all my husband had to do is come home from work & nothing else.  The whole "bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, & never, ever let him forget he was the man" was what our life was like before RA. We had to change but also work together harder to keep the relationship healthy after RA. It's not easy & sometimes it really sucks, but you can work it out in time. Good Luck & don't forget to take your troubles to the Lord!

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2/15/09 5:49am

I too have a problem with RA the man in the story is tell my story. The only different is I have a six year old.I dont have enery at all and I also work 6-2every day. My husband don"t help out as much as the man in the story.My husband don't unstand the diease at all,no manner want I tell him.When I clean my house I have to do it in parts,but the next day I can bearly go to work for being so tried and my ankle be killing me.So I say to the man in the story keep doing what your doing because she really need does need the help. Iwish I had it!    FULL OF PAIN

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3/ 6/09 7:59pm

I have RA and by the time the week ends, I am exhausted.  I have small children and there are times where I have to drag myself around to take care of kids.  I have good days and bad days and stress makes a difference.  First, I think that she needs to speak with her Rheum about this so that she can find better methods of treatment.  I have flareups, some worse than others, several times a month.  After a stress filled week, it really adds up, but not always the case.  Good days and bad days, I actually just discusssed this on my blog.  Of course, not every sufferer has the same symptoms, but maybe this will give you an idea. 

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