Tuesday, February 23, 2010 Kris asks

Q: Switching from enbrel to humira, now having major flare. Has anyone experienced this?

Switched from enbrel (7+ years) to humira (1 month or 2 shots) and having quite a flare that has jumped from my knees, to my back to my hands.

 

How long did it take for the humira to kick in? The first few weeks everything was great and now I'm in a ton of pain. The flare started 4 days ago in my knees and i figured I'd be ok in 2 days but the flare is moving. My knees are fine but now my hands and my lower back are worse.

 

I know everyone is different but would love to hear your experiences.

 

I'm not sure if I want to give the humira more time or go back to the enbrel. Or maybe I need something in addition to the humira while it has time to kick in.

 

Waiting to hear back from my doc.

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Lene Andersen, Health Guide
3/19/10 10:56am

I switched from Enbrel to Humira three years ago and did experience a flare before Humira really kicked in (this took a couple of months). One of the things my doctor and I realized as we were going through this process was that although the recommended dosage schedule is every two weeks, I seem to need the drug more frequently than that, so I currently get my shots every 10 days - medications work differently for different people, as you know, so sometimes you have to play with dosages and when you take them.

 

You seem to be right on track in terms of anything I could recommend - talk to your doctor, maybe give it a bit longer to work, maybe supplement with prednisone until Humira kicks in. Ellen brings up a good point, as well, - if you like Enbrel, consider the pre-filled syringes. As well, if Enron was generally working well for you, but was easing off the effectiveness, maybe increasing the dose or time between when you take your shots may help, as well.

 

Let us know how it goes?

 

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2/25/10 10:39am

Hello -

What was the reason for switching from Enbrel? Did your doctor feel it was a good idea to switch so as not to be on one biologic too long?  It may be that for some reason, the Enbrel works better for you.  The mechanisms are slightly different though they are both anti-TNF drugs ... I don't know as much about Humira as I do about Enbrel and woudn't mind knowing more myself....

  I'm curious, I've been on Enbrel for about 5 years and I think it's a little less effective than it used to be - but I've had to go off Celebrex and Tylenol which used to fill in the gap.  My doctor doesn't seem in any hurry to switch (thought I've brought up the subject), but didn't mind if I cut back when I seemed to ache more after taking it, and I did cut back for a while. Now I'm having a little early spring "flare" (contemplating a trip coming up, and family tensions probably contributed to that!)

 

 

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2/25/10 2:15pm

Helen, thanks so much for your reply. Enbrel was a life changing med for me but the last year or so it hasn't been working as effectively as it did in the past. I noticed my energy was down, inflammation was up (CRP up too) and it took me a while to get going in the morning. I also hate the weekly shots, mixing them, etc. I thought I would try Humira and see if it gave me a boost. My doc was/is supportive of the change. Since it's also a biologic TNF-blocker I figured the change wouldn't be too drastic and I like the biweekly shot (chose the pen injector). The first two shots went well, I noticed my inflammation went down and I did have a boost in energy. Overall my body felt more 'quiet' if that makes any sense. My ankles have never been so slim! But then in my 5th week the flare hit me like a ton of bricks. I ended up going to the ER and was put on on prednisone for a few days with a tapering off dosage for another week (with my doc's input). I'm due for my 3rd humira shot this weekend and hope it kicks in. Ideally I'd like to do the humira for 3 months to get a good sense if it works for me. If not I'll go back to the enbrel but will likely need something to help it along. I haven't had a flare like this since before I started enbrel, I forgot just how painful they can be!

 

So I guess what I'm wondering is if folks have such an adverse reaction, giant flare, when switching from one biologic to another. I wonder if this is just a typical adjustment period or if it means humira may not be for me.

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2/25/10 2:16pm

Oops, I mean Ellen! Sorry!

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2/25/10 6:13pm

From what I have read the typical statistics on results of switching is that: if the first one works, the second one will work less well.  If the first one didn't work, the second one has a better chance of working well.  (Yeah, we do forget how bad we can feel, don't we!)   That would go along with what is happening to you, wouldn't it?  I guess it will be up to you, in consultation with your doctor, as to how long a trial you want to give it.

     On the other hand - if the mixing  is the main thing that bothered you about Enbrel, why not get the prefilled syringes?   Then all you have to do is let it warm up for a few minutes.  They are now available in both 25 mg and 50 mg sizes, so you can either do smaller shots twice a week (avoid the larger sting, if it bothers you) or the larger one once a week (if less often is better for you and the larger shots don't bother you). Some people ice the injection site beforehand.

     I've always stayed with the 25 mg vial mix kind, I kind of like it that way, especially since I sometimes stretch out the time period a bit; if I don't need it every 3-4 days, I will do every 5-6 and cut down the risk of sinus problems.

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7/16/10 10:07pm

Hi, I was on enbrel for 5 years, which company and the coverage was poor, humeria offered assisatnce with payment so I switched, for one year and did not only did not have any reaction but it barely helped me. I'm back on enbrel, they offered me assistance to return, I love it, it helps having two shots a week at 25 rather than the one 50, i would crash by the seventh day, taking a 25 very 31/2 days made a big difference, it waears off as the week goes by on 50 , 25 twice keeps it alive. Humeria pen is a killer and twice a month, I suffered for a year and it didn't help the psorisis.... like enbrel I'm 58 with JRA since early teens, this is  the best thing that has help, though I also have fibro.....tried Lyrica, toxic reaction  and a couple of other drugs with no relief any can help with fribro?

Diane

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By Kris— Last Modified: 12/25/10, First Published: 02/23/10