Don:
Thanks for writing. Your story is very interesting to me.
I never believed my doctor or family members were devils, but I had three demons that talked to me constantly, telling me they were. My mother was such a staunch advocate of mine, my demons were never quite able to convince me.
I learned my lesson about taking my medicine in a very different way, but ended up with an understanding like you have achieved.
In addition to the schizophrenia I have five other illnesses that are life threatening and that have frequently landed me in the hospital. Some hospitals didn't have my psych meds, so they would cut me off cold turkey. Within three days my hallucinations, paranoia, delusions of grandeur would all come back. After about a week without my meds I no longer believed I was ill. After a number of these episodes, I figured out that I had to take my meds.
About five years ago I went into the local hospital through the emergency room (as usual). When they checked me into the hospital I found out they didn't have any of my psych meds, so I climbed out the hospital bed, got dressed and was about to leave when a nurse came in. She asked what I thought I was doing and told her I was leaving and why. She said "You can't do that" and I said "Just watch me." They called the resident on duty and there was a huge scene, but they let me go after I signed papers saying I wouldn't sue them if I croaked after I left.
Keep writing, its seems many of us end up in the same place, but we all get there by our very own route. I'm learning at lot and it's very helpful.
Encourage your friends to join our CHOICES group. If they are like you, Janet, David and I, it's going to be interesting. Like I said I'm learning alot and can identify with the three of you.
Robin
Hi Charlie:
Welcome to the CHOICES discussion group.
It sounds like you've been through quite an ordeal.
To start things off in the wrong direction, your initial psychologist actually said "there's no such thing as mental illness and no such thing as therapy." Either he bought his license on the internet, was from another planet or he had his head in the sand.
And then your psychiatrist, who should been helping you, shouted at you.
It's not much of leap from there to your conclusion that he was part of a conspiricy.
It a common thing for us to assume after we get better from taking meds that we are cured and can stop the medications. What happened to you has happened to thousands of us. It's not really very surprising. After all, you go to the doctor with an infection, he gives you antibiotics, you get better and stop the meds. We all eventually begin to realize that mental illness is more like diabetes and that we have to keep taking the meds or "feeling better" doesn't last. You were quite astute to figure this out on your own. which means you've got some pretty good brain cells working for you.
When my grandfather, uncle and aunt all got schizophrenia there were no meds for the condition and no one recovered. But as you said. Things are different now. With proper meds and therapy we do recover! With respect to schizophrenia, one of our big problems is that there seem to be a lot of doctors out there (including psychiatrists) who haven't figured that out yet. Where have they been the last fifteen to twenty years?
As you pointed out, I was really lucky to get the psychiatrist I did right from the beginning. It took me ten years to get into recovery though, not because of my psychiatrist, but because the was only one medicine when I got ill and it didn't work for me, so we tried every new medicine as it came out. I came to accept the fact that I was mentally ill after about three years, but it took another seven years to get into recovery because it took researchers another seven years to develop a med that worked for me.
The best of all worlds would be to have a psychiatrist like my first one today with all the different medications to try.
It seems you and I have arrived in in the same place, recovery, but that the trail we took to get here was very different. And, as we all know, that trail can be grueling. Most of us seem to get into recovery in the end though, so that's all that matters in the end.
It's great to here your story. Wellcome to the CHOICES discussion group. As we work our way through the issues raised in the CHOICES series of blogs, I'm counting on you to make some further comments. We need your perspective and wisdom.
Robin
Thank you, thank you so much for writing this. When I go to my support group for caregivers, and tell them how I talk to my son (17 years old with squizophrenia), how I listen to him (really listen to him), how I tell him that even though I agree with the doctors and I believe that he has a mental illness, he has a right to his own opinion (he believes he is 100% well), how I do not try to convince him of my believes...the mayority judged me telling me that I do not care for my son's life. So far, my son is still compliant to the medicine that he hates and does not want to take because it makes him feel sick, among other things, even though he has told me many times that he wants to stop taking it. Do I freak out? NO! I listen to him with respect because besides being my son he is also a human being with feelings, opinions, thoughts and ideas. He will be 18 in a month...how dare I try to talk to him as if he still were 9 years old. My baby is almost an adult now and I am so afraid that he might go to prison, or die that I will do whatever it takes to keep an open chanel of comunication between us. I want him to still trust me like he always did before the illness and I do not want him to shut me off.
Sincerely,
Marta Chacin
Hi Marti:
I'm glad you've joined our CHOICES discussion group.
I think your approach to dealing with your son is marvelous. You are working carefully to maintain the trust between you and your son. Sooner or later, an opportunity to say something that will help your son will come along AND because you have listened to him carefully and have not challenged him directly, he will listen to your advice because he trusts you and you will know what to say in response. You will not have allowed walls to rise up between you and your son.
To do what you are doing takes a great deal of patience and restraint, and demonstrates that your love for your son. And, trust me on this, he knows it.
For others to say that you're jeaprodizing you son's life is rubish. Schizophrenia is an extremely commplicated illness. Recovery does not comes quickly or easily. In my humble opinion, parents that try to force their child into recovery by preaching to them about what "is true and what is not," are looking for a quick fix. They want and think they can solve the problems their childs faces quickly with just a few enlightened comments. I don't fault them for trying and I'm not suggesting they don't love their child, but that, quite understandablely, the want their old child back. Who doesn't. But again, there are no quick solutions. What you are doing is much more difficult, but is also much more likely to succeed in both the short and long term.
When my daughter first became ill, I developed a "top ten list" of things that I thought would help her most in her struggle. And then, I was very careful to never, ever bring up for discussion with her any of the things on the list. I refused to preach to her because I know from my own experience as a person with schizophrenia just how offensive this is.
Sooner or later, though, she would ask me about one of these things. At that point I would "stick my toe in the water", i.e., I make a single remark in response, but say nothing more (read as "I didn't preach to her about all the raminfications of her question"). Then, sure enough, after a while she'd come back. "Dad, when I asked you a couple of weeks ago about thus and such you said . . . What did you mean by that?" Then I would stick my foot in the water and add something to what I had said before and stop. The cycle would continue until we had discussed the issue completely and, most importantly, at her request.
I still have a "top ten list" for my daughter but none of the original issues remain on that list. These we have all discussed over time and long since resolved. The things on my list are minor issues when compared with the original list, bur far more important is the fact that my daughter and I remain close friends and talk about everything. I'm proud to say that many of the things that I learned the hard way, she has learned from our discussions instead.
Marti, you are a loving mother that has made a long term and selfless committment to her son. I honor you for that. Your son will do much better because of you. And he too will honor you.
Robin
Thank You Robin for sharing your story with us. I can relate to what you are saying. For me I firmly believe the reason I have stayed out of the hospital for 10 years is because of the support of my family and for finding a psychiatrist I can trust who knows me so well. In fact in the 24 years I have had schizoaffective illness I have had the same psychiatrist. While others do not like this doctor I firmly believe he is the best for me.
Thanks again for your post and I look forward to reading more of your posts. I learn something new everytime I come to this site and I have you and the others to thank for that.
Thanks Janet.
I stayed with the same pyschiatrist for 18 years, until he died of pancreatic cancer. He was 25 years ahead of his time, so other doctors didn't always agree with the treatment he provided, but he and his methods were precisely what I needed. It wasn't until much later that other psychiatrists finally acknowledged the fact that he had been right all along. In fact,
he was giving me meds and what today can only be described as cognitive behavioral therapy even though this wasn't developed for treatment until 20 years later. I was 32 years old when he died and I cried like a baby.
As you said, we all have to figure out who and what is best for us.
I'm hoping that David Robbins will put in a comment as you have.
We need to invite others to join our CHOICES group. I know it helps me and your comments make it worthwhile.
Talk to you again soon.
Robin