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CHOICES II-8 - Impediments to Acceptance 1G

  My last blog presented a hypothetical hiring scenario which put us into the role of the employer, forcing us to look at the trade-offs employers encounter when considering a job applicant with a mental illness.   I'm pleased to report that Jim Blaha [jjbgeneva] made an excellent sugges...
11/23/08 10:39pm

Dear Robin:  Your question raises a difficult ethical dilemma.     I have seen similar instances like that one several times.   While living in a suburb of Vancouver some years ago, consumers were offered different jobs at even half minimum wage.        Incidentally when I wrote about my community here on Vancouver Island being completely sympathetic in the workplace toward mental health consumers, I was in fact speaking of just a few companies.         Back to the question.      Here in British Columbia the PWD (Persons With Disabilities) monthly welfare guaranteed income is $906.00/ CAN.          The government will allow you to make $500.00 as well before the garnish your gov. cheque.        There is a volunteer peer - support program here but the real issue is are the mentally ill human beings ?    Or are we second-class creatures.     In my opinion, if someone has the skills and does the job, he/she has the right to the same wage as anybody else.  

 

 

Yours,

 

Don Fraser   

11/25/08 4:08pm
Don: I'm often been asked whether one should declare that they have a mental illness during the interview process. My answer has always been NO, unless your mental illness requires some sort of special consideration, such as time off on Friday mornings to see your psychaitrist or therapist. As far as the job itself is concerned, if you can do the work as well as or better than others, your illness is irrelevant and none of your boss' business. As they say back home in Seattle, you and I "are singing out of the same hymn book." I remember (many years ago) interviewing for work at a well known university. I disclosed my illness. This upset the interviewer. His esponse was - "Why did you have to tell me that? You're perfect for the job. Now, becuase the job reqires working with potentially dangerous chemicals, I can't offer it to you." My heart sank. Then to my amazement, the interviewer called one of other interviewer on the phone and explained that he thought he had a real good fit for the job in question, but didn't have time to do the interview. Would he do it. As I left for the other interviewer's office, the first told me to keep my mouth shut. Weird isn't it? Robin
11/24/08 11:51am

Robin; I have been working with a number of states on their Peer Certification Programs. It is surprising to see the wide variation between the states involved. Another national group that has certifications is the USPRA-US Psychiatric Rehabilitation Assoc. I would like to hear from you on your experiece in these areas.     Regards;  Jim Blaha jjbgeneva@aol.com

11/25/08 3:37pm

Jim:

 

Geuss what?  I was hoping to get a reply from someone that has experience with peer counseling programs.  You are the first one to respond and your experience is outstanding.

 

Although I did some volunteer "peer counseling" about fifteen years ago, the program in which I was involved was rudimentary.  I also worked for three months in a state mental hospital as a "student therapist."  Some of the things I did anticipated peer counseling.  [None of professionals knew that I was actively psychotic at the time, but the individual I was counseling figured it out almost immediately.  This was important to the relationship we developed and what came out of it.]  But, the short answer to your question is that I have had very little experience with peer counseling as it is practiced today.

 

I have two friends who are certified peer couselors here in New Jersey.  They love what they are doing becuase they like working with people and are making a very significant contribution to the welfare of the individuals they counsel.  I believe that they are also making an important contribution to our society as a whole.  As consumers, they bring something to the table that non-consumers cannot.  They've been there and done that.  The two are also pleased to have steady employment and benefits.  To my knowledge, neither has complained about their salary.

 

The fact that you have worked with a number of states on their Peer Certification Programs gives you a rare perspective on the whole concept and the systems being built to deliver the service, and probably it's effectiveness as well.

 

It would be terrific if you were to share, in one or more blogs, some of what you know about peer counseling.  I know I would be very grateful.

 

Robin

 

 

   

11/25/08 4:53pm

Robin; I see you are on the N.J. NAMI board. They tell you what is going on in you state for training & certification of "peer specialists" Nami national can also provide info. Two web sites & organizations I recommend: www.usrpa.org & www.DBSAlliance.org.  Let me know how you make out.  Regards;  Jim

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