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pot and tabbaco, contradictary information onthe web who do I listern to?

scrumhalf76
07/18/09
scrumhalf76
Topics:Just Diagnosed

Am trying to understand how much of my substance abuse over the last 15 years has effected my well being, I stopped going to night clubs in my mid twenties because I couldn't take the amount of auditary stimulus I was subjected to and at that time I gave up class a type drugs, have continued to use pot on a daliy bases. Has this been a form of self-medication or is it whats caused my shcizophrenia. And whats the situatuation with tobacco, information avaliable is contradicary some claim it's positive effects on this condition others the oppisite

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David Robbins
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I have schizoaffective disorder (SZA). I've had this condition for 29...

Saturday, July 18, 2009

The first night of auditory hallucinations happened while I was high. I haven't smoked pot in 25 years. I believe it was the breaking point that triggered my SZA. I also think that my SZA was brought about by three factors. 1.genetics. 2.the physical abuse I endured as a child. 3. drugs and alcohol.

 

I am a strong opponent of not using illegal drugs. The last time I got high was a very bad experience. You may be self medicating. It is common among the mentally ill.

 

My pdoc told me once that I was like that space shuttle that blew up. The shuttle had a problem before it left the launch pad. I have several first cousins on my mothers side that have a mental illness. So I believe that genetics are involved.

 

At any rate smoking pot isn't good for anyone. As for cigarettes, they are not only physically harmful they are extremely addictive.

 

Take care,

 

Dave

Adam's mom
Saturday, July 18, 2009

I agree w/ Dave. I have a just 17 year old son who had his break @ about 15 1/2. I first thought that what he was experiencing was paranoia and anxiety caused by THC.

I, like Dave, think that it is a combination of stress, THC and genetics. It is difficult to diagnose the difference between drug psychosis and sz because the symptoms are similar. You may like it because pot helps w/ the anxiety temporarily, but it actually increases it tremendously. Pot and alcohol also interfere w/ the meds that you will need to help control your symptoms. The idea of "It's just pot." doesn't hold true anymore. THC is up to I'v heard 30 times as strong as it was in the 70's. So stay away from pot and alcohol. Learn to identify your anxiiety and calm yourself w/ yoga, deep breathing, exercize or whatever works for you. My son had the similar issue w/ auditory stimulation when he was first diagnosed. He is now in a residential treatment center learning to understand, deal, and recognize his diagnosis and learn to cope w/ out turning to a substance. Good Luck. Take care and stay away from pot. This site is a good place to find support.

 

Christina Bruni
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Christina has been in remission from schizophrenia, and out of the...

Sunday, July 19, 2009

Hello scrumhalf76,

 

You are searching for answers and I hope you find ones that can give you peace of mind in your recovery. Please feel free to ask other questions or write SharePosts here, even if you are not quite ready to make any changes in your drug use or life at this time. We are a welcoming community.

 

I understand that it's important to you to come to a conclusion about how much of an effect the drug use contributed to your SZ symptoms.  You want to get to the bottom of this "which came first, the chicken or the egg" question.

 

Sometimes what I say might sound blunt in my replies.  I will get out the hard cold facts and then wrap up with some positive words of encouragement.

 

Alcohol and drug use do worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia.  I'm surprised you still use pot on a daily basis considering it has this effect.  Also, drug users take more sick days off from work than people who do not abuse substances.  So your productivity plummets.  That is the long way to say that it has totally affected your well-being and will continue to do so.  It is your choice whether you continue to smoke pot.  If that's what you want to do, that's your choice and it's your life so I'm not going to say anything about this. If it were me, I would refrain from any and all street drugs and alcohol, especially because it could lessen the effect of any SZ meds you take, like Geodon or the other anti-psychotics. 

 

Please though continue to take your SZ meds even if you still use pot.

 

Marijuana use can cause psychosis; it can cause psychosis particularly in people with a genetic predisposition to SZ.  So the origin of the SZ, to quote a NIMH researcher, could be that "genetics is the gun and drug use pulls the trigger."

 

As for smoking, it in some way uplifts people with SZ yet again that is not the reason to start or continue smoking, because smoking can also affect the level of SZ medication needed to effectively treat the symptoms.

 

You may want to find a therapist skilled in MICA patients: Mental Illness Chemical Abuse treatment.

 

The good news is that recovery from SZ is possible with tools in place like refraining from drug use, getting enough sleep, eating right, taking the SZ meds, working at a job or volunteer work, or going to school.

 

As you begin to explore your options, I want you to know that other people who have written in to the Connection have been in your shoes and you are not alone.  SZ is not a life sentence, people with this illness can go on to live full, productive lives of their own choosing.

 

I wish for you all the best.

 

Regards,

Christina

Daleri
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Wednesday, July 22, 2009
I would suggest that you consider stop smoking pot because it is a major factor. Continuing would only make your problems worse. I don't know if substituting your habits with coffee or something would be recommended but coffee doesn't seem to be as bad.
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