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Sunday, July 18, 2010 abcd asks

Q: What is happening here?

Hello Christina,

 

It's been a long time since i have visited the site, but now have a rather urgent question and wanted your expert opinion. I am simply at a loss here.

 

i have a friend whom I've known for more than 30 years. She has 2 sons in their early twenties, whom i have also known all their lives. Her younger son has been diagnosed with sz and has been in and out of mental hospitals since age 17. She also had a (now deceased) mother with mental illness, and her half-brother has been in a mental hospital for a great many years.

 

Her older son, aged 23, graduated university last year. He has a degree in finance, tall handsome and charming. He was her comfort with all the grief she has had due to so many of her family being ill.

 

Well, last year after graduation she told me that he is behaving differently and in an unacceptable manner. Not wanting to work at all, behaving with no consideration to her and others. (Waking up in the late afternoons every day, and going to bars all night, till day light. When he is at home he spends about 12 hours playing a certain computer game, and does little else. Things have gotten to the point where both his mother and her ex-husband (his father) have "kicked him out" to get him moving.

 

Now as a friend at first i thought this is an exageration, that he needed time to relax after 4 years in university, and told her to be patient etc.

 

A few weeks ago he asked if he can come stay with us for a few days, and i gladly agreed. Well, he stayed for several weeks and practically took over our home. Waking up the children at night with the computer, and us early in the morning to open the door after been out all night. It was quite an invasion... He is no longer here, but what impressed me most of all was that he did not understand why his behaviour was inappropriate and unacceptable!

 

Last week my friend, his mother, came for a short visit and asked my opinion. Frankly, i am clue-less! Not wanting to hurt her or give mis-leading advice i just said it might be a phase. But in truth something tells me this isn't a simple matter at all. That this might very well be a mental condition. (As you know i have a 27 year old son with sz, but this doesn't look the same at all.) Her son speaks well and clearly, doesn't hear voices, isn't violent, and is quite polite and charming. (He has been stopped by police for reck-less driving etc. and usually is able to charm his way out of trouble.)

 

What do you make of this? He isn't functioning in an ordinary sense of the word, yet he doesn't seem mentally ill in the ordinary sense of the word either...

 

Sorry to write such a long question, but i am simply baffeled and would like to give an old friend some helpful advice.

 

(Please don't say to take him to see a professional, his mother has already tried. He thinks his behaviour is just fine!)

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Christina Bruni, Health Guide
7/20/10 7:34pm

Hello abcd,

 

The first response that comes to my mind (and I'm not sure why it does) is possible street drug use. 

 

You say he is charming and well-spoken and indeed a person who is in the prodromal stage of schizophrenia can be charming and well-spoken because that is part of their personality.  A person is a person first even with the odd behavior.

 

One thing I can tell you: if his change in behavior happened very slowly and it turns out he has schizophrenia that is a dilemma.  People whose schizophrenia symptoms come on suddenly a lot of times have a better prognosis than someone for whom the symptoms built up over months and month.

 

Your friend might want to take a look at the early warning signs of schizophrenia to get a better idea about what she's dealing with.  Heredity also plays a part too.

 

Unfortunately if the son doesn't want to get help it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

I would suggest your friend monitor her son's behavior and take stronger action should it become unavoidable, like getting him committed to a hospital if it gets to that point.

 

I noted heredity as your friend has another son with schizophrenia and this illness strikes teens and young adults mostly.

 

I had just graduated college when I had my breakdown.

 

So the fact that this young man has a college degree is no guarantee he doesn't have schizophrenia.

 

I'm sorry I can't tell you whether this is a clear-cut case of schizophrenia and as you know I can't diagnose or treat such a condition.

 

However you are wise to suspect some kind of mental illness.  He may be in the prodromal stage of SZ and be experiencing some kind of negative symptoms.

 

He also (though none of us know this either) might be using street drugs to self-medicate any other symptoms he might be having.

 

This is a tricky situation.  Unless the son can be convinced that getting help would enable him to achieve whatever life goals he currently has he might not want to seek help.

 

The idea that he doesn't trust his Mom also enters my head.  He may be experiencing symptoms that are invisible-like hearing voices or having delusions he hasn't articulated verbally.

 

I wish I could be more hopeful.

 

Regards,

Christina

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7/18/10 9:01pm

Unfortunately, many mentally ill people do think they are just fine.  For a long time, I sensed something was wrong with me but was sure that I didn't need the medication.  So I was hospitalized 18 times, relapse after relapse, until it finally made sense that I needed help any way I could get it.  And that I would never be able to recover enough to set goals and move ahead in life if I didn't accept treatment.  Now, I am substantially recovered.  Since this young man is an adult and can make his own choices, there is not much anyone else can do.  Regarding unacceptable behavior, I don't believe that should be tolerated by anyone who offers his or her home, whether friends or family.

 

I think you are wise in not offering your friend a diagnosis.  That should be done by a professional.  And after all, it may well be a phase her son is going through.   It could be rebellion, drug-related, or some organic physical disorder.  Would he feel comfortable talking to a therapist?  Maybe he needs to talk about what's happening and why and would do so if his words were confidential.  Maybe he would be willing to talk to the family doctor about it since he refuses to see a psychiatrist?  The problem does need to be addressed NOW.  Because early treatment could mean the chance of better recovery.

 

Donna

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