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How to treat "Madonna/Whore complex?"

Fitzsime
10/24/08
Fitzsime
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How can I seek help for my relationship? He has a "complex" that is threatening my sexual health and mental health at this point. I just want to be open and honest with him and cannot any longer. HELP!

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Amy Hendel
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Friday, October 24, 2008

You need to ask your family for support, get out of the relationship and seek therapy to resolve your own issues.  If this is an abusive relationship - even verbally - it can escalate.

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nowfine
Friday, September 04, 2009 at 02:18 PM

The best advice for people who are going through this is TO LEAVE THE RELATIONSHIP.  RUN!!! 

 

It may be blunt, hard to swallow, etc., but in the long term health of yourself, it is by far the best advice you can take. 

The partner with the problem is the one who has to deal with it, and as painful as it may be to you to abadon him, it is the only solution you have to resume a normal life.  You need to rebuild your self esteem, self respect and awareness of your own sexuality and sexual appeal.  The partner is doing lasting and intense psychological damage to your psyche. 

There is no amount of time, reassurance, patience, etc., that can cure them.  They have to go to therapy and deal with it themselves.  And the older they are, the more likely it is that it will take years and years of therapy. 

Sad but true.  I am not proud to tell anyone to abandon their mate, but this is a serious problem that affects you more than you know.

 

Good luck, and remember, in situations like this, you have to look out for yourself!

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Fitzsime
Saturday, October 25, 2008

Nooooo, its not abusive! He cant have SEX with me, not in any meaningful way.

Maxx
Friday, December 19, 2008

Get out - Get out - Get out! This will not change. I know from 42 years of suffering. There will only be excuses until finally you become roommates, then friends, then companions, then dead.

Run as fast as you can to the nearest door and escape.

re: How to treat "Madonna/Whore complex?"
Perplexedbywomen
Friday, September 04, 2009 at 06:07 AM

"Get out" is probably the best advice in this thread.

It's probably not as simple as being only about the dichotomy of the virgin/whore.

Factoring into the equation are small things; the lustful participation in sexuality that is enjoyed early in a relationship usually becomes a one-way street, later.

The vagina-as-currency tends to dull the gloss of sexual desire.

Feigned interest and dutiful submission don't help, either.

Being desired isn't a one-gender need; men need to be desired, too.

Hoping for sexual attention and remaining stoic in its absence probably won't get the job done, either.

 

Doesn't the issue, at least in part, degenerate into our assigned gender roles?  The male is ordained to be the aggressor and the female the object of his (our) desire.  We follow the script during courtship but (some of us, at least) run out of steam when the prize is won.  It's not about conquest, it's about something a little more primal: planting our seed.

 

Without question, I suffer from the complex (oh yeah, the women in my life have suffered it, as well).  Is it possible, however, that each of us is trying to use logic and reason to explain a phenomenon that defies logic and reason?  Are we more primal than we're willing to admit?  Are we attempting to take our primal nature and make it fit into societal institutions?  Maybe we've taken a psychological label and have mistakenly applied it to an organic condition.

Remember those birds that mate for life?  What they DIDN'T tell you is that they only remain TOGETHER for life; they still screw around.

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Ted
Thursday, January 01, 2009

As a 59 year old male who suffers from this terrible "illness"...I can tell you that the EASY answer is to get out of the relationship.... Would this be the same answer if the wife were the ill person?.....My wife and I have a loving relationship...but it exists without sex.  It does so because of me.  This has troubled me for my entire life...when I was young and  pursued women, my sexual appetite was fine....once married, the ability to have sex with my wife ended...almost magically, the day before marriage, I loved it and the day after....the desire was gone....My parents were alcohol abusers and my father physically abusive...My mother angry and dependent.....I am now who I am...relatively "normal" in all other respects......the most curious thing about this is it is just now at this stage of my life that I am willing to even admit this to myself and the world.....Intense therapy...drugs...who knows what the answer is.....it is painful for my wife who I have yet to even discuss with her...it's like a silent reality we both endure because in all other facets of our relationship we are close.....My advice for those of you in such marriages is to get counseling...who knows maybe I will before it's too late.....

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Snowflake
Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 02:48 PM

I could sob my heart out ( again, like I do most nights) because you are describing exactly the same situation that my husband and I are going through. Like you we have a wonderful relationship in every other way, he's my best friend but we haven't had a sexual relationship for years. The only time it was ever good was when we were trying to have children and since then nothing. He says he is happy in every other way but it is killing me not having a husband that will touch me. He just can't bring himself to as I'm his wife and it just feels wrong.....We haven't tried conselling and to be honest I don't think I want to go through that, it is painful enough already without having to discuss it with someone face to face and to hear the complex put into words. If he doesn't want to make love to me then I can't see how a counseller can change that. Like your wife I don't want to leave as we are very close but equally the thought of having a life without a sexual relationship, never to experience passion .....I don't know if I can endure that for much longer either. I'm hoping that something may have happened with you and your wife since your post that would magically have made a difference. Please let me know if anything has changed. It is no fun at all being a Madonna. I feel totally alone, totally.

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Snowflake
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 at 03:40 AM

I just wanted to post a reply to those who are going through the same thing. My husband and I had a very uncomfortable talk and it was the best thing that we ever did. He could see that I was really very unhappy rather than just putting up with it. Last night we decided that we would make "sex" more of a routine thing, that way there was less pressure to perform. Also rather than worrying what I might like he tried to do what he wanted and that way we both ended up of course with what we both wanted. It didn't work completely but I am sooooo happy! The intimacy returned and the fact that he is even trying means the world to me. It was never about missing sex, it was about missing that intimacy with someone that I love so much. So if the man that first wrote the post above reads this PLEASE TRY. Just touch your wife, start slowly and don't try to fix everything over one night. If my husband can do it then so can you.....I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you both. After being in a sexless marriage for years we are on the way to being in a "normal" relationship.

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confused34
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 at 05:45 AM

I am interested by this very much! There is not a lot of information on this complex. I had a relationship with a guy and even though we were in love we broke up because of the timing in our lives. Anyways he is now with another woman and tells me that he cannot have hot sex with her as he has the whole madonna and the whore complex. 

 

The thing that confuses me is that he was able to have hot sex with me. does this mean he never loved me? or is it not about love but more about commitment?

I asked him how come he could have hot sex with me and not with her and he said because I dont make his meals for him.

 

Does this mean that it becomes hard for him to have hot sex etc once they are in the type of committed rship where she looks after him, cleans for him and becomes the madonna? but say she didnt live with him, didnt cook for him etc but he was in love with her would he still be able to have hot sex with her? or is it as soon as u fall in love that this becomes too hard? or is it once your committed or sumfin?

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Katie
Thursday, February 05, 2009

Dear Fitzsime, I want answers too!!

 

I'm in a madonna/whore relationship but I'm the whore!

 

He says he loves me but from everything I've read, I now know he will never marry me.

 

He has been seperated from his wife for 3 years. (She left him to explore with someone else, can't blame her if he was starving her of sex) despite this he cannot leave or abondon her. I met him nearly 2 years ago and he insisted I move in with him just recently. He wont let me cook. If I start cleaning he says "sweetheart I'll do that"

All he wants to do is **** me. And force me to have sex with other men while he watch. He loves to call me slut and whore and at first I didnt mind a bit of role playing but not now. I realise he didn't used to let his wife even give him a blow job.

 

On saturday he sat me down and said he loved me and loved living with me but feels guilty about not trying harder to make it work with her. (They had LOTS of counselling in 2006 but didnt get far). He asked me to move out.

 

So I'm looking for a place to live and looking for answers. So far no solutions. No case where some one had this complex and got over it.

 

I'm happy to get out now. It's just hard because he is so normal in every other regard.

 

Good luck

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confused34
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 at 05:48 AM

So did he go back to her? does he still love you?

 

I am the whore too I think, at least he tells me now he has this complex which makes a lot of sense to me now looking back. He also tells me he would be able to have hot sex with me and watch me with guys etc like your guy did to you. He tells me he still has feelings for me. but yet he cant have sex with the woman he is with, so now i wonder, did he never love me seems we did have sex? or is it more about that they cant have sex once your in a committed relationship which we werent.

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Katie
Tuesday, June 02, 2009 at 06:19 AM

 

Yes he's still back with her. Little to no sex, because he continues to hold back from intimate connections with her. (And also they haven't lived together for the past 3.5 years and still only catch up for dinner once or twice a week!) I continued to see him for a while just for sex to help in his transition and to gain more insight into the situation. His wife has both my mobile numbers and never called to ask me if I'd seen him like she has at other times so I figured I wasn't doing any harm. I've stopped seeing him now as I am falling in love with someone else (Someone normal who can accept women for who they are and me for all my dualality)

 

I believe he loved and still loves me very much. But there's no way he could sustain a committed ongoing, live in relationship with me, whilst still having the amazing sex that glued our relationship together.

 

I believe he trully loves his wife and used to have amazing sex with her before they married.. If they stay together their love will continue to lack intimate passion and who knows how she'll handle that again (Last time she had an affair)

 

It's a difficult situation and one I'm glad to see the back of.

 

For anyone weighing up the pros and cons of staying with these mixed up men can I just say this- My happiness is beyond words being loved by a man who can accept me as both his precious, cherished good little girl and his dirty, wild slutty whore. I am both. And now there is no more pretending.

 

Katie

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Thursday, February 12, 2009

I thought only italian men were like that.My brother is like that he will put a woman on a pedistal due to his belief that she was"pure",and the moment the woman did not live up to that"standard" -she was a whore.He picked that belief up from our parents.It is unfair and you deserve to be treated as a individual,not as a "icon".Tell him how you feel,the madonna/whore complex may mean something totally different today-if it affects your mental health,please leave because that is abuse too.

LiveFreeDieJung
Monday, February 23, 2009

I'd really like to know about this too.I'll be 20 in April and I'm friends with this guy I almost dated and have known since August.We never did date,but we've danced around each other,because we both wanted to be together but knew it wouldn't be good for either of us.He's 22 and very good-looking.He would be a fabulous catch if he weren't a big tangled ball of dysfunction.He was in one relationship for five years,and was going to marry the girl,but cheated on her once and they broke it off.She was""a nice Christian girl""and they'd never had sex(so he tells me),and he still would get back together with her if she'd have him;he feels terrible about himself as a result of this.A few months after the wedding was called off,he got into the dating scene and met me.I've never had a boyfriend,but not out of lack of trying,just out of lack of opportunity.He thinks my lack of experience and the fact that I've said I'm not ready for sex for a while means I'm so much more morally pure than everyone else,especially himself--he sees himself as this morally corrupt loser,and once told me he thinks he'd corrupt me or something.I think he might actually have real feelings for me,or at least did,but within a week after I told him it wouldn't work,he'd already had a one-night stand with one girl and had started dating another.He broke up with that girl,because he knew the realtionship was based on sex and he was miserable in it,but the girls he's hooked up with,he speaks about very disparagingly.I told him not to talk about his exploits and he told me""these girls wouldn't be bothered by it""--he sees them as slutty.Apart from the way he treats women,and depsite what he thinks about himself,he's basically a good person trying to prove to himself he's not,and he's smart enough that I think he can fix himself,and he knows he's not behaving well and it reinforces his low self-image.From what I know of his childhood,he was raised by his grandparents and helped raise his younger cousins because his mother and aunts and uncles weren't very involved(I have no idea about his father,he's never mentioned anything to me about him).He had to be pretty responsible all of his childhood,and now that his plans for being a good husband didn't work out and he's re-examining his life,he's taking a hiatus from responsibility,to put it delicately,trying to learn all the stuff he didn't learn growing up because he was living for other people.I'm just worried that now that he's making a conscious effort not to be responsible,he's going to do some kind of damage to his life that he can't repair later on.

 

We're only friends now,and that's all I ever want to be with him,considering the way I've seen him act,but he is my friend and besides wanting to get myself

off this pedestal he's got me on--which I really resent--I don't want him going through life miserable because he does this.Short of fulfilling this whole weird scenario and mothering him--I'm 19 and can barely take care of myself,and I'm not interested in taking on""projects""or saving anyone,but this affects me as well as the fact that as his friend,I don't want him to sabotage his own happiness--is there any way I can help him ameliorate this?I've learned the hard way to keep myself a healthy distance from him,but I still don't like being his Madonna when I do interact with him.I hope it's early enough in his life that he can fix any damage to himself without having gotten himself into too much trouble first--so is there anything that can be done?

 

 

"I don't want to be your idol/see this pedestal is high and I'm afraid of heights."--Alannis Morrisette,"Not the Doctor".

sillyduck
Tuesday, June 09, 2009

Hmm.. what to do.. If your boyfriend is anything like me, he has some sort of trauma in his past that relates sex with anger. You can't fix him. Eventually he'll probably realize that he can't maintain a healthy physical relationship and just enjoy many deeply satisfying friendships with the opposite sex. The one thing you could try is constantly telling him bluntly that you REALLY REALLY want him to have sex with you. Unless you tell him, he likely feels like you're "letting him". That's how my longest relationship held together for a whole 9 months.. btw I'm mid 30's... Once I start to love someone, sex vanishes, then they vanish...

Babygrl1977
Friday, June 12, 2009
I am also a wife of a man that is struggling with this complex. As I sit here and cry, out of both sadness and joy that I am not the only woman out there feeling this way I wanted to reach out to those of you that feel there is no hope left. I haven’t been lucky enough to ever have a great sex life with my husband. When we first were dating our sex life was good, but there was always something missing. Soon after he gave me my promise ring our sex life came to an abrupt stop. We didn't consummate our marriage for almost a year after our wedding. Anyway, I have a ton of stories to share about the emotions I went and continue to go through but they all include exactly what you have been talking about, self doubt, I must be the ugliest women, was he EVER attracted to me... and it just goes on. What I really wanted to say was please don't give up! My husband and I have tried many things mainly because I can't hide how I truly feel - which (like you) is I don't want a sexless marriage... I didn't sign up for that. We have continued to try because we didn't and do not want to live the rest of our lives without our best friend... just because of sex! Now that we know a little bit more about this complex we are seeing a male councilor (which is not as hard as you think it would be). I could just be looking through rose colored glasses, but I really do believe that once you understand why you are feeling a certain way you can take steps to fix it (with help) if it is important to you. And believe me if your husband has put you up on this pedestal YOU are that important to him! If your husbands are anything like mine, which it sounds like they are, they just want to make you happy and really don't understand why they can't figure the sex part out. If you give up or do not want to talk to your best friend about how you truly feel and ask that they help you figure this out I think you could be letting go of your true love. My husband would shut when I would try to talk to him, but I kept showing and telling him that I haven't forgotten about my feelings and they have not changed he has started to open up more and more each time. I will let you know how counseling goes, for now I have high hopes!
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mmm1234
Monday, July 13, 2009 at 01:33 AM

I need some help with this issue. I am in a relationship with a man I believe has this complex. When we first started dating the sex was great, he couldn't get enough. As soon as we moved in together, something happened to our sex life. He no longer seemed interested in having sex, his libido had dropped drastically. Then I found out that he was watching porn, sometimes even when I was asleep in the other room. It hurt me so bad to know that he couldn't just wake me up and have sex with me. A year later, the same issue continues. We have sex sometimes, a couple of times a month. But most of the time he loses his erection midway through, leaving me feel ugly, unsatisfying. He always tells me how beautiful I am and how sexy he thinks I am, but it seems like the only way he can get off is by those women in the pornos. When I confronted him he said he worshiped me, that I am the best woman he has ever known, that I'm an angel. Does that mean he only sees me as this? That he doesn't really want to do those things with me because I am so perfect in his eyes? I don't want to have one label, I want to be his angel and his sex kitten but it seems like he can't combine the two. What should I do? I am too young to give up my sex life even if I do love him.

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Babygrl1977
Sunday, July 19, 2009 at 05:10 PM

I understand what you are saying, I feel the same way.  Can you talk to him about this complex?  Would he be willing to read about it to see if he thinks it fits?  My husband has told me he wants me to be both so I think it can be possible.  I'm working on feeling sexy after all these years of truly thinking it was me and hoping that will help.  I still hold out hope for counseling, so far it has helped. We are able to talk about sex without him changing the subject which has never happened in our relationship.  I hope you find something that works, I have to have faith that there is something that will work.

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